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Old 05-16-2006, 03:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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There is a cartoon show that mocks Christians all the time, but refused to show the cartoons of Muhammed. Why is that? Are they more afraid of offending Muslims than Christians. Maybe if a few Christians went out and chopped off the heads of those producers of that cartoon show, then they would stop mocking Christians. Is that the message? Sure seems like it.

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Old 05-16-2006, 04:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Jefferson is exactly correct that Christianity is the last acceptable predjudice in America. If you need examples, look no further than this week's box office. The Da Vinci Code is a blatant attack on Christianity, yet there is no outcry from the left (who stood in solidarity with the Muslim rioters over the cartoons of Muhammed). Ron Howard won't even put a disclaimer at the start of the film (which he has done for other fictional movies that offended the sensibilities of other religious groups).

Other examples? Attacks on Christmas and Easter displays, the attacks on the Pledge of Allegiance, retroactive changes in established law removing the statute of limitations only on Catholic priests (why not public School teachers or public officials as well?), attempts to break the seal of the confessional, critically acclaimed "artwork" like Piss Christ, attempts to force Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after pill, and on and on.


Any time you see a nun on TV she is the butt of some joke. Similarly, priests are portrayed as bumbling, or scheming, or drunk, or harmlessly aimiable.

This is not just a case of people who can't take a joke. Anti-Christianity is real.
Are you bloody serious? I think I should break it to you....the Da Vinci Code is fiction! It was written by Dan Brown with the express understanding that the book would be placed under the realm of fiction. It was a fictitious story line made to sell a thriller book. The fact that you're taking a fiction book as an "attack on Christianity" is just sad. Dan Brown isn't "attacking Christianity", nor is the film.

And I don't know about you, but I've never seen someone "attack" an easter display, or a christmas display. Its quite amusing to see the words such as "attack" being thrown around as if there were some kind of immediate threat upon a religion that is already believed and followed by by over 80% of the country. Nothing is being "attacked". Just because people of different beliefs don't want to be dictated or personally effected by Christian beliefs doesn't somehow connotate an attack on Christianity. And its not just pervasive in the religious world...it's everywere; everything is a "War on" this or an "Attack on" that. The "war on drugs", the "war on Christmas", the "war against disease", the "war against poverty". There's just something about being a militaristic state.

How would you like Muslims in the United States putting "Allah Akbar" on government buildings and dollar bills? How would you like a statue of Mohammad, or passages of the Koran in a courthouse? You wouldn't like it too much would you? Then...then indeed Christians would be calling for the taking down of such things because the government is supposed to be tolerant to all religions and indifferent, and the Muslims would be claiming an attack on Islam.
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Old 05-16-2006, 06:33 PM   #23 (permalink)
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the Da Vinci Code is fiction!
what?!! next your gonna say The Passion of the Christ is fiction...
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what?!! next your gonna say The Passion of the Christ is fiction...
the movie by mel gibson
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I have the cartoons some place!

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There is a cartoon show that mocks Christians all the time, but refused to show the cartoons of Muhammed. Why is that? Are they more afraid of offending Muslims than Christians. Maybe if a few Christians went out and chopped off the heads of those producers of that cartoon show, then they would stop mocking Christians. Is that the message? Sure seems like it.
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This is not just a case of people who can't take a joke. Anti-Christianity is real.
always has been

just more in your face as the

tares
those snakes
the liars
those that say they are jews and are not

all thinking their worldly gods going to be born

they are about to have a let down

too bad
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There is a cartoon show that mocks Christians all the time, but refused to show the cartoons of Muhammed. Why is that? Are they more afraid of offending Muslims than Christians. Maybe if a few Christians went out and chopped off the heads of those producers of that cartoon show, then they would stop mocking Christians. Is that the message? Sure seems like it.
Are you talking about South Park? Because that was part of the joke. They were making fun of censorship.

And South Park makes fun of EVERYONE. Three words. Iraq. Christmas. Special.
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Foundit66,

There certainly are religious fanatics who are narrow minded and ignorant. However this does not characterize Christianity in general. Those people are the exceptions, not the rule.

(Though how Ann Coulter made your list of religious fanatics I can't understand - she's a conservative, not a religious leader.)

Jefferson is exactly correct that Christianity is the last acceptable predjudice in America. If you need examples, look no further than this week's box office. The Da Vinci Code is a blatant attack on Christianity, yet there is no outcry from the left (who stood in solidarity with the Muslim rioters over the cartoons of Muhammed). Ron Howard won't even put a disclaimer at the start of the film (which he has done for other fictional movies that offended the sensibilities of other religious groups).

Other examples? Attacks on Christmas and Easter displays, the attacks on the Pledge of Allegiance, retroactive changes in established law removing the statute of limitations only on Catholic priests (why not public School teachers or public officials as well?), attempts to break the seal of the confessional, critically acclaimed "artwork" like Piss Christ, attempts to force Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after pill, and on and on.


Any time you see a nun on TV she is the butt of some joke. Similarly, priests are portrayed as bumbling, or scheming, or drunk, or harmlessly aimiable.

This is not just a case of people who can't take a joke. Anti-Christianity is real.

Attack on Christianity?

Please.

Call me when your imaginary antagonists rape your relatives and burn your village to the ground.
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Foundit66,

There certainly are religious fanatics who are narrow minded and ignorant. However this does not characterize Christianity in general. Those people are the exceptions, not the rule.

(Though how Ann Coulter made your list of religious fanatics I can't understand - she's a conservative, not a religious leader.)

Jefferson is exactly correct that Christianity is the last acceptable predjudice in America. If you need examples, look no further than this week's box office. The Da Vinci Code is a blatant attack on Christianity, yet there is no outcry from the left (who stood in solidarity with the Muslim rioters over the cartoons of Muhammed). Ron Howard won't even put a disclaimer at the start of the film (which he has done for other fictional movies that offended the sensibilities of other religious groups).
The Da Vince code is nowhere near an attack on christianity. it IS however an attack on the Roman Catholic CHurch. Not because it is christian, but because it has a history of religious power brokering. The papacy has fought wars, started crusades of unequalled barbarity, and the inquisition i believe? At no point in the book is the ideology of christianity attacked nor is jesus attacked nor are his diciples attacked. What however IS attacked is the ORGANIZATION called the catholic church.
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Other examples? Attacks on Christmas and Easter displays, the attacks on the Pledge of Allegiance, retroactive changes in established law removing the statute of limitations only on Catholic priests (why not public School teachers or public officials as well?), attempts to break the seal of the confessional, critically acclaimed "artwork" like Piss Christ, attempts to force Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after pill, and on and on.
Tasteless i grant you, but christianity is hardly the only religion attacked like that.
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Any time you see a nun on TV she is the butt of some joke. Similarly, priests are portrayed as bumbling, or scheming, or drunk, or harmlessly aimiable.
Well so people refuse to grant the same holiness to men and women of the cloth as they used to. I think it is more of a reaction to the blind subservience these men and women of the cloth once received which was not entirely justified. Just back then nobody had the guts to say it openly.
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This is not just a case of people who can't take a joke. Anti-Christianity is real.

What sucks for christianity is that people are beginning to not be overawed by its so called holy representatives. This is not so much a persecution as a cutting down to size of those who claim to be better as they are "people of god"
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