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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 05-17-2006, 01:32 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Nice try, but that is not what the people at Comedy Central said. Comedy Central made the decision to block it out. Maybe you all are not "getting it".
Comedy Central blocking it WAS the center of the joke.
The entire skit hinged upon the actual decision of Comedy Central and what they would choose. Block that brief segment, or show it...

I'm curious what features the DVD will have...
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What other religious movies has Ron Howard done that {placed disclaimers}for?
Whoops! I have to retract that statement. I misread my source which in the course of talking about Ron Howard's refusal to put a disclaimer mentioned the following movies in which disclaimers were placed:


Asians: “Year of the Dragon”

Blacks: “Birth of the Nation”

Gays: “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back”

Jews: “Merchant of Venice”

Mormons: “Big Love”

Muslims: “True Lies”

Native Americans: “Pocahontas II”

Nearsighted: “Mr. Magoo”

Wolves: “White Fang”

I misinterpreted the source to mean that Ron Howard directed those movies. I was wrong - my apologies.
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You talk about "Christmas and Easter displays", but why is it that it is typically ONLY CHRISTIANITY which gets to put up displays?
http://www.catholicleague.org/05pres...22_no_wars.htm

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THERE ARE NO CHRISTMAS WARS?



The following events/remarks were made at Christmastime 2005:



The Palm Beach Post said that in South Florida malls, “There are dangling ornaments, Christmas trees, but no crosses or angels, certainly no Mother Mary cradling her newborn son” (our italics). Senior citizens were told by government officials in Winter Park, Florida that they were not allowed to sing Christmas carols. Government workers in Illinois were ordered not to say “Merry Christmas.” Christians in Rhode Island were told they could not put Christmas decorations on the City Hall’s lawn.



In a park shared by Neptune Beach and Atlantic Beach, Florida, the private display of a manger scene was originally censored, but a large menorah was said to be okay. No schools in Palm Beach permitted crèches, but some allowed menorahs. School districts in Glendale, Illinois, Eagle County, Colorado and Long Island, New York, banned Christmas religious songs but allowed songs celebrating Hanukkah.



Residents in Middletown, New Jersey, got a holiday card from town library officials that included Christmas greetings in Spanish, Chinese, French and German, but not in English. Students at an Alexandria, Virginia school were told they could sing “Feliz Navidad,” but not “White Christmas.” A school in the Belleville, Illinois area banned all references to Christmas but allowed an Indian, John White Antelope, to speak about his native religion.



In the Los Angeles Times, writer Joel Stein said, “We Jews find it a little embarrassing that adults can still make such a fuss over Christmas. To us, Jesus was just a cool guy everyone liked because he died young. And even 16-year-old girls eventually take down their James Dean posters.” Andrew Edlin, a New York gallery owner, offered, “All the people who have murdered us over the years have Christmas trees.” The sign, “Jesus Is The Reason For The Season,” incensed Amanda Alpert of Raleigh, North Carolina because “I’m Jewish, and the reason for the season is upsetting to me.” When asked to explain why Christians were unhappy with her opposition to crèches, Rabbi Leah Richman of Pottsville, Pennsylvania said, “They’re taking my stand as being anti-tolerance and anti-diversity because I’m not tolerant of their nativity scene.”
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I have never understood why Christmas is a national holiday if we are a secular nation. Doesn't make any sense at all.
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retroactive changes"? Do you realize that the Catholic church was claiming religious privilege for the ACCESSORY TO THE CRIMES that they committed in COVERING UP the crimes of their priesthood?
1st : While not denying that what was done in the cases of repetitive abuse by priests was evil, it needs to be put in perspective. It was a few bishops who acted irresponsibly not the entire Church.

2nd: People forget that the bishops often were relying on the latest psychiatric advice available at the time which said that sex abusers could be rehabilitated.

3rd: Since when is it ever okay to change a law retroactively? There is such a thing as a statute of limitations for a reason. Memories fade, witnesses die, etc. But that was not the point of my comment. My point was that it was directed solely at the Church - not at politicians, or teachers or other people of responsibility. Why should that be allowed? How is that fair to people who have been sexually abused?

I am specifically referring to a bill recently introduced in Colorado. The bill ended up dying because the church insisted that the law be applied equally to all professions not just the clergy. So instead of trying to get out of being held responsible, the Church asked the everyone be held to the same standard. Now why do you think that should kill the bill?

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Catholic hospitals? They should figure out if they want to practice religion, or medicine. They shouldn't practice religion under the pretense of medicine.
So you would deny the poor and the indigent (who make up a sizable portion of the patients Catholic hospitals serve) all because you think they should be forced to do something that is against their beliefs? Not to mention how many children are going to suffer because the left wants to force the church to service adoptive gay parents.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

On the one hand you want a separation of church and state on the other you want the government to be able to dictate what services a private hospital provides....Typical leftist ideology. Freedom for everyone as long as they do what I want them to do.
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Comedy Central blocking it WAS the center of the joke.
The entire skit hinged upon the actual decision of Comedy Central and what they would choose. Block that brief segment, or show it...

I'm curious what features the DVD will have...
In my opinion Comedy Central caved. They gave in to fear.
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I have never understood why Christmas is a national holiday if we are a secular nation.
That is a good point. Unless we are not a secular nation. Maybe we are a Christian (or at least a Deist) nation that respects the fundamental human Rights of all people. Freedom of religion (or lack of religion) being one of them.
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Whoops! I have to retract that statement. I misread my source which in the course of talking about Ron Howard's refusal to put a disclaimer mentioned the following movies in which disclaimers were placed:
Asians: “Year of the Dragon”
Blacks: “Birth of the Nation”
Gays: “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back”
Jews: “Merchant of Venice”
Mormons: “Big Love”
Muslims: “True Lies”
Native Americans: “Pocahontas II”
Nearsighted: “Mr. Magoo”
Wolves: “White Fang”
I misinterpreted the source to mean that Ron Howard directed those movies. I was wrong - my apologies.
Understood.
(And now I'm wondering what the heck is up with "Gays: “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back” "....)

And in addition, "Birth of the Nation" has a disclaimer for blacks???
I'm guessing NOT put there by the director...

Part of the problem, IMO, is that when I go to see "Da Vinci Code", I'm not going to take it seriously. I haven't talked to anybody who thinks that is ACTUALLY based in any way on reality.
Muslims? They have a very real stereo-type that was seen in "True Lies". Same of "Big Love" and "White Fang".

I just don't see the need for "Da Vinci Code", because I think we KNOW that it's not real.

With that said, should "Blair Witch Project" get a disclaimer for Wiccans?
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Cutting out the article only for brevity...

I will agree that SOME examples of discrimination against Christians exist.
I think they are few and far between.

I DO NOT agree that it is PC. I think that if you asked people about this case, MOST would say that it's hypocrisy.
(Me included...)
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That is a good point. Unless we are not a secular nation. Maybe we are a Christian (or at least a Deist) nation that respects the fundamental human Rights of all people. Freedom of religion (or lack of religion) being one of them.
According to our law we are not a Christian nation. People came to this country to avoid just such a thing in their homelands.
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