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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 06-14-2008, 07:18 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Curious, I thought we were talking about liberation theology in the United States.



Why, because they're concerned about the evils of poverty and attempting to find ways to end it?? Then arguably Jesus was Marxist in scope too.

Yes of course He was Marxist this is why He said, "You will always have the poor among you." -- John 12:8 Christ and His teachings had absolutely nothing to do with Human Governments nor political ideologies. As He declared, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed." -- John 6:25-27. Christ's mission was to feed the Spirit of Man...not the flesh. It is not the place of the "Church" to feed and house the poor....it is however the Individual responsibility of the Christian to do good works on every occasion. The collection of the saints, is to feed the Spiritual needs of the people and to help spread the gospel to save their eternal souls...not to fill their bellies on a temporary basis. As the Apostle Paul made quite perfectly clear, "...do you not have homes to eat and drink in?" l Cor. 11:17-21. As the people were disrupting the services and making a mockery out of the communion. And again Christ says it best, "The Spirit gives life, the flesh counts for nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." John 6:63 (R)

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Yes of course He was Marxist this is why He said, "You will always have the poor among you." -- John 12:8 Christ and His teachings had absolutely nothing to do with Human Governments nor political ideologies. As He declared, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed." -- John 6:25-27. Christ's mission was to feed the Spirit of Man...not the flesh. It is not the place of the "Church" to feed and house the poor....it is however the Individual responsibility of the Christian to do good works on every occasion. The collection of the saints, is to feed the Spiritual needs of the people and to help spread the gospel to save their eternal souls...not to fill their bellies on a temporary basis. As the Apostle Paul made quite perfectly clear, "...do you not have homes to eat and drink in?" l Cor. 11:17-21. As the people were disrupting the services and making a mockery out of the communion. And again Christ says it best, "The Spirit give life, the flesh counts for nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life." John 6:63(R)
I personally couldn't care less. A man must eat and subsist before he can read the Bible.
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I personally could care less. A man must eat and subsist before he can read the Bible.
Of course he must and God tells us "exactly" how we are to do so, Its a little thing called "individual responsibility", "And unto to Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake: in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of they life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field: In the sweat of they face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." -- GENESIS 3:17-19 IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DO NOT WORK, and are able...YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE. (R)
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Of course he must and God tells us "exactly" how we are to do so, Its a little thing called "individual responsibility", "And unto to Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake: in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of they life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field: In the sweat of they face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." -- GENESIS 3:17-19 IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DO NOT WORK, and are able...YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE. (R)
The fact that you think communism is devoid of personal responsibility is very telling about your understanding (or lack thereof) of true socialist philosophy.
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The fact that you think communism is devoid of personal responsibility is very telling about your understanding (or lack thereof) of true socialist philosophy.
Oh, I'm quite understanding of social communism. In "theory" it is the most fairly honest and "utopian" governmental system.....ON PAPER. But, history indeed examples how easily corruptible it is. Due to its very nature it is doomed to fail as each generation becomes more corrupt and gradually allows what was once a noble endeavor to become a total state of totalitarianism. I might agree with your bigoted positions against capitalism, if history did not present the "actual" advantages of having an open capitalistic system over the very corruptible system that has failed time after time...with the only "working" example that comes close to comparing to the strength of the United States system of "Republicanism" being "China". And you want to "tout" a system such as this against what examples this nation has established? I for one do not want to live under such a system. I find you to be quite "unknowledgeable" (or deceitful) about the way this government was established and the founding fathers "thoughts" and examples on "SOCIAL DEMOCRACY"...in any form. I might suggest that you read and research Section 4 Article 4 of the US Constitution with an in depth study of the "Federalist papers".(R)

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How did the Ghetto Preacher stir up this conversation about Communism?
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How did the Ghetto Preacher stir up this conversation about Communism?
SIMPLE. Black liberation Movement = Marxism = Communism = Attempted defense thereof = failure, due to presentation of "history, actual".
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I am a Christian as is Ralph...but the only thing, THE ONLY THING, this man had in common with Jeremiah Wright was his use of a naughty word or two...

the pastor in this video, may well not even be a pastor. And his use of profanity liberates no one.

Not that Pastor Wright has a message of liberation, so much as a message of bitterness. But there is really no valid comparison imho, unless you are a racist.

The man in this video is talking ghetto. Wright is talking marxism. (purposely not capitalized...)

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