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Old 06-15-2008, 12:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Oh, I'm quite understanding of social communism. In "theory" it is the most fairly honest and "utopian" governmental system.....ON PAPER. But, history indeed examples how easily corruptible it is. Due to its very nature it is doomed to fail as each generation becomes more corrupt and gradually allows what was once a noble endeavor to become a total state of totalitarianism. I might agree with your bigoted positions against capitalism, if history did not present the "actual" advantages of having an open capitalistic system over the very corruptible system that has failed time after time...with the only "working" example that comes close to comparing to the strength of the United States system of "Republicanism" being "China". And you want to "tout" a system such as this against what examples this nation has established? I for one do not want to live under such a system. I find you to be quite "unknowledgeable" (or deceitful) about the way this government was established and the founding fathers "thoughts" and examples on "SOCIAL DEMOCRACY"...in any form. I might suggest that you read and research Section 4 Article 4 of the US Constitution with an in depth study of the "Federalist papers".(R)

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Again you express your complete ignorance of the subject.

Marx, Engels, and Lenin all fought against this "utopianism" perhaps almost as strongly as they did against capitalism.

History hasn't shown us how corruptible communism is, it has shown us how corruptible capitalism is. Let's forget the fact that there hasn't been an example of true communism or socialism in the history of the world. Every attempt at true capitalism, however, degenerated into a corrupt dystopian landscape of wage slavery. This country's earlier experiences with laissez-faire expressed the need of government intervention and labor organization.

China is not communist but arguably has a freer market than in the United States.

I have read the Constitution, the federalist papers, and other works done by our 'founders'. I found them to be progressive and liberating for the times but indeed outmoded today. Perhaps if you read anything in length by Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky you would understand the true nature of socialist thought.
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I relish how much we can take for granted in this country, our freedoms, to even laud another governmental type of rulership.

Whether by faith in God or not, bless America. We got it so good we can take for granted our ability to spill any mindset at all publicly and proudly.

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Old 06-15-2008, 02:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I am a Christian as is Ralph...but the only thing, THE ONLY THING, this man had in common with Jeremiah Wright was his use of a naughty word or two...

the pastor in this video, may well not even be a pastor. And his use of profanity liberates no one.

Not that Pastor Wright has a message of liberation, so much as a message of bitterness. But there is really no valid comparison imho, unless you are a racist.

The man in this video is talking ghetto. Wright is talking marxism. (purposely not capitalized...)

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And the point was an attempt by "YOU" to entrap someone....perhaps, such as "I" and make them APPEAR to be a racist bigot, because of simply pointing out the obvious bigotry presented by both examples of mockery against "true Christianity"? As I said, not all men are easily manipulated by emotional logic. In fact it was quite easy to demonstrate the fact that "The Good Reverend Wright" is the only bigot that either of us has talked about. (Unless we include your attempt at manipulation as bigotry). After all it is his message that presents the ideology of "Black Liberation" and thinks that it should be presented in a Christian format. A format that has been greatly altered from its original intent of generating the message that ALL men are equal and come from one blood and in the eyes of God there is NO ONE SUPERIOR race....for we all run after the same trophy, SALVATION.

MR. Wright simply uses his position to promote his own life's ambitions which obviously he places above his own eternal salvation. IT'S NOT AT ALL TO DIFFICULT TO AVOID A "SNARE" WHEN ITS SO OBVIOUS IN ITS PRESENTATION....as customary liberalism often presents the same traits. Now I am confident that you have been 'TEASED' with enough information. And now just as Paul asked, "If I am your enemy (or anyone else's) simply because I present the truth, SO BE IT". -- Gal. 4:16(R)

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And the point was an attempt by "YOU" to entrap someone....perhaps, such as "I" and make them APPEAR to be a racist bigot, because of simply pointing out the obvious bigotry presented by both examples of mockery against "true Christianity"? As I said, not all men are easily manipulated by emotional logic. In fact it was quite easy to demonstrate the fact that "The Good Reverend Wright" is the only bigot that either of us has talked about. (Unless we include your attempt at manipulation as bigotry). After all it is his message that presents the ideology of "Black Liberation" and thinks that it should be presented in a Christian format. A format that has been greatly altered from its original intent of generating the message that ALL men are equal and come from one blood and in the eyes of God there is NO ONE SUPERIOR race....for we all run after the same trophy, SALVATION.

MR. Wright simply uses his position to promote his own life's ambitions which obviously he places above his own eternal salvation. IT'S NOT AT ALL TO DIFFICULT TO AVOID A "SNARE" WHEN ITS SO OBVIOUS IN ITS PRESENTATION....as customary liberalism often presents the same traits. (R)
Excuse me for saying so, Ralph...I only could not connect some vulgar man meshing Bible verses with his filthy mouth to Jeremiah Wright. Sure, Wright used one phrase that took God's name in vain...but this thread was about a video of a man who likely has no clue what liberation theology is at all.

I am not liberal, I am not a bigot and I was not trying to ensnare a brother. You judge me unfairly because I fail to see how this video would even remind you of Wright. Does that even mean I embrace the man on the video or Wright? No!

But that doesn't mean I see them as alike in any way either.

OD
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Excuse me for saying so, Ralph...I only could not connect some vulgar man meshing Bible verses with his filthy mouth to Jeremiah Wright. Sure, Wright used one phrase that took God's name in vain...but this thread was about a video of a man who likely has no clue what liberation theology is at all.

I am not liberal, I am not a bigot and I was not trying to ensnare a brother. You judge me unfairly because I fail to see how this video would even remind you of Wright. Does that even mean I embrace the man on the video or Wright? No!

But that doesn't mean I see them as alike in any way either.

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They both present the same message, one in jest (supposedly) and the other in all seriousness (supposedly). Both are accusing others for the facts of their own life's circumstances....and of course in both cases it is the openly and bigoted position of accusing Peoples of another color and race for their own lack of self responsibility. Of course you are welcome to your OPINION, but as always there is only one truth, and that truth is so openly obvious that one cannot help but trip upon it as they merely walk by. And anyway that one wishes to semantically spin their position...when someone wishes to suppress the truth with a layer of creamy opinion, that action equals a manipulation of the facts. (R)
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Wow you say good stuff Ralph. I only wish you would not be so unfriendly in your demeanor. And I am sorry but I do not see them as alike.

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Wow you say good stuff Ralph. I only wish you would not be so unfriendly in your demeanor. And I am sorry but I do not see them as alike.

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OD, you are correct, REV. Wright and this guy in the video aren't alike.

For starters, Rev. Wright does preach God's love for all of us, the church he preached in for 20 years has done a lot of good for the community that surrounds it. Videos are in the 1st two links.

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/ele...tml#post175503 (Senator Obama's Communist Connections)
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/ele...tml#post175718 (Senator Obama's Communist Connections)
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OD, you are correct, REV. Wright and this guy in the video aren't alike.

For starters, Rev. Wright does preach God's love for all of us, the church he preached in for 20 years has done a lot of good for the community that surrounds it. Videos are in the 1st two links.

http://www.defendingthetruth.com/ele...tml#post175503 (Senator Obama's Communist Connections)
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/ele...tml#post175718 (Senator Obama's Communist Connections)
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SMOKE AND MIRRORS......What the good Reverend preaches is anything but the "WORD", that is unless the word is a political movement called Black Liberation. He tickles the ear of the black community with a pretense of speaking God's word...the problem being, there is no "scriptural message" to be found in his words. There are many "false prophets" gone out into the world and this man is but one of many. He preaches a message of hope to the poor, but he takes funds collected from his sheep to construct a multi million dollar home...where? Among the poor blacks that he supposedly embraces or does he take church funds and move to the suburbs among the very people that he openly "chastises" as being the reason for holding down the black community? This man does not practice Christianity, but conversely he "preaches" words to "propagate" the very message that has made him rich.....as he goes about making his livelihood in the practice of "race baiting". Pitting one group of peoples against another for the very purpose of making gain from the continuation of racism, bigotry, and social classification. (R)

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Wow you say good stuff Ralph. I only wish you would not be so unfriendly in your demeanor. And I am sorry but I do not see them as alike.

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You will find the truth is indeed neutral. As I said before, "political correctness" is not one of my better characteristics. I will not pretend to acknowledge any untruth as JUST simply because an "appearance" of good might be gleaned from such. In the end, the truth will ultimately sit one foot in front of another on "the correct path" along life's journey.

As the apostle said, "Preach the word! (which is truth, a truth that we are to be sanctified in -- John 17:17). Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (Just what is sound doctrine? ll Tim. 3:16, declares DOCTRINE SHOULD COME FROM SCRIPTURE, as it will make you COMPLETE), but according to their own desires will turn their ears away from the truth, AND BE TURNED TO FABLES." -- ll Tim 4:2-4.

A greater truth is not revealed in God's word. Just tune in any Sunday morning preacher that is supposedly preaching the word of God and actually consider the WORDS that proceed to come from the pulpit...one might get one LONE passage "cherry picked" from the content of the Holy Bible and spoken on for upwards of an hour, while twisting and reshaping the original intent of that single passage into a message that adds to the coffers of whatever person or organization that he/she might be speaking for. And as always, they leave you with the same message. 'GOD LOVES YOU BUT PLEASE SEND YOUR TAX FREE DONATIONS TO "my address" '.

I present nothing personal in my retorts and do not wish to step on anyones toes..this is not the intent, the intent is to simply present the truth as written in the scriptures. If I failed to defend that which I base by faith upon, I would fail both myself and my Lord. (R)
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