Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Again you express your complete ignorance of the subject.

Marx, Engels, and Lenin all fought against this "utopianism" perhaps almost as strongly as they did against capitalism.

History hasn't shown us how corruptible communism is, it has shown us how corruptible capitalism is. Let's forget the fact that there hasn't been an example of true communism or socialism in the history of the world. Every attempt at true capitalism, however, degenerated into a corrupt dystopian landscape of wage slavery. This country's earlier experiences with laissez-faire expressed the need of government intervention and labor organization.

China is not communist but arguably has a freer market than in the United States.

I have read the Constitution, the federalist papers, and other works done by our 'founders'. I found them to be progressive and liberating for the times but indeed outmoded today. Perhaps if you read anything in length by Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky you would understand the true nature of socialist thought.

Originally Posted by OhDear

I am a Christian as is Ralph...but the only thing, THE ONLY THING, this man had in common with Jeremiah Wright was his use of a naughty word or two...

the pastor in this video, may well not even be a pastor. And his use of profanity liberates no one.

Not that Pastor Wright has a message of liberation, so much as a message of bitterness. But there is really no valid comparison imho, unless you are a racist.

The man in this video is talking ghetto. Wright is talking marxism. (purposely not capitalized...)

OD

Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Again you express your complete ignorance of the subject.

Marx, Engels, and Lenin all fought against this "utopianism" perhaps almost as strongly as they did against capitalism.

History hasn't shown us how corruptible communism is, it has shown us how corruptible capitalism is. Let's forget the fact that there hasn't been an example of true communism or socialism in the history of the world. Every attempt at true capitalism, however, degenerated into a corrupt dystopian landscape of wage slavery. This country's earlier experiences with laissez-faire expressed the need of government intervention and labor organization.

China is not communist but arguably has a freer market than in the United States.

I have read the Constitution, the federalist papers, and other works done by our 'founders'. I found them to be progressive and liberating for the times but indeed outmoded today. Perhaps if you read anything in length by Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky you would understand the true nature of socialist thought.

Originally Posted by OhDear

I relish how much we can take for granted in this country, our freedoms, to even laud another governmental type of rulership.

Whether by faith in God or not, bless America. We got it so good we can take for granted our ability to spill any mindset at all publicly and proudly.

OD

Originally Posted by Ralph

You will find the truth is indeed neutral. As I said before, "political correctness" is not one of my better characteristics. I will not pretend to acknowledge any untruth as JUST simply because an "appearance" of good might be gleaned from such. In the end, the truth will ultimately sit one foot in front of another on "the correct path" along life's journey.

As the apostle said, "Preach the word! (which is truth, a truth that we are to be sanctified in -- John 17:17). Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (Just what is sound doctrine? ll Tim. 3:16, declares DOCTRINE SHOULD COME FROM SCRIPTURE, as it will make you COMPLETE), but according to their own desires will turn their ears away from the truth, AND BE TURNED TO FABLES." -- ll Tim 4:2-4.

A greater truth is not revealed in God's word. Just tune in any Sunday morning preacher that is supposedly preaching the word of God and actually consider the WORDS that proceed to come from the pulpit...one might get one LONE passage "cherry picked" from the content of the Holy Bible and spoken on for upwards of an hour, while twisting and reshaping the original intent of that single passage into a message that adds to the coffers of whatever person or organization that he/she might be speaking for. And as always, they leave you with the same message. 'GOD LOVES YOU BUT PLEASE SEND YOUR TAX FREE DONATIONS TO "my address" '.

I present nothing personal in my retorts and do not wish to step on anyones toes..this is not the intent, the intent is to simply present the truth as written in the scriptures. If I failed to defend that which I base by faith upon, I would fail both myself and my Lord. (R)

Originally Posted by fxashun

I just let my wife see this video...
She said "those are your people".
Should I be offended? LOL.

Originally Posted by fxashun

How did she mean it? I'm not sure...

I don't think any man TRULY knows what a woman means.

Are you religious? Not in the least.

Good for you!
Are you black? Somewhat.

Good Answer!

Are you Ghetto? I was born there. But never really fit in...LOL.

Me Too!

Are you a preacher? Are you kidding?

I wasn't, but point taken.

Are you stark raving mad? I plead the 5th.


That's probably for the best...

Originally Posted by Ralph

Pray tell, why not just point out ANOTHER example of limitless freedoms, personal rights, wealth, and the protection offered AS DOES capitalism and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....who's capitalistic mannerisms have saved the "proverbial rear ends" that represent Communism....not once but twice in recent history.