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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 06-16-2008, 11:12 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Again you express your complete ignorance of the subject.

Marx, Engels, and Lenin all fought against this "utopianism" perhaps almost as strongly as they did against capitalism.

History hasn't shown us how corruptible communism is, it has shown us how corruptible capitalism is. Let's forget the fact that there hasn't been an example of true communism or socialism in the history of the world. Every attempt at true capitalism, however, degenerated into a corrupt dystopian landscape of wage slavery. This country's earlier experiences with laissez-faire expressed the need of government intervention and labor organization.

China is not communist but arguably has a freer market than in the United States.

I have read the Constitution, the federalist papers, and other works done by our 'founders'. I found them to be progressive and liberating for the times but indeed outmoded today. Perhaps if you read anything in length by Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky you would understand the true nature of socialist thought.
Pray tell, why not just point out ANOTHER example of limitless freedoms, personal rights, wealth, and the protection offered AS DOES capitalism and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....who's capitalistic mannerisms have saved the "proverbial rear ends" that represent Communism....not once but twice in recent history. The proof is in the pudding. Just present another society such as found in the United States, with the "proven" success that has followed. I prefer to live and base my life upon actual life circumstances....not conceptual theory, that ACTUAL HISTORY has demonstrated to be an abstract study in failure...time after time. (R)
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:13 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I am a Christian as is Ralph...but the only thing, THE ONLY THING, this man had in common with Jeremiah Wright was his use of a naughty word or two...

the pastor in this video, may well not even be a pastor. And his use of profanity liberates no one.

Not that Pastor Wright has a message of liberation, so much as a message of bitterness. But there is really no valid comparison imho, unless you are a racist.

The man in this video is talking ghetto. Wright is talking marxism. (purposely not capitalized...)

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Yes, and "sermons" like that will make tremendous strides toward ending racism in this country. He sounds like the black community's own worst enemy. After all, present day racism is NOT all whities doing.
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Old 06-16-2008, 11:16 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Again you express your complete ignorance of the subject.

Marx, Engels, and Lenin all fought against this "utopianism" perhaps almost as strongly as they did against capitalism.

History hasn't shown us how corruptible communism is, it has shown us how corruptible capitalism is. Let's forget the fact that there hasn't been an example of true communism or socialism in the history of the world. Every attempt at true capitalism, however, degenerated into a corrupt dystopian landscape of wage slavery. This country's earlier experiences with laissez-faire expressed the need of government intervention and labor organization.

China is not communist but arguably has a freer market than in the United States.

I have read the Constitution, the federalist papers, and other works done by our 'founders'. I found them to be progressive and liberating for the times but indeed outmoded today. Perhaps if you read anything in length by Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky you would understand the true nature of socialist thought.

We just know that them damn commie pinko fags is destroying our country! What else you need to no fella?
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I relish how much we can take for granted in this country, our freedoms, to even laud another governmental type of rulership.

Whether by faith in God or not, bless America. We got it so good we can take for granted our ability to spill any mindset at all publicly and proudly.

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VERY VERY TRUE!!! Spend some time in a shithole like Iraq and it won't take you long to realize that.
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Old 06-16-2008, 12:06 PM   #45 (permalink)
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You will find the truth is indeed neutral. As I said before, "political correctness" is not one of my better characteristics. I will not pretend to acknowledge any untruth as JUST simply because an "appearance" of good might be gleaned from such. In the end, the truth will ultimately sit one foot in front of another on "the correct path" along life's journey.

As the apostle said, "Preach the word! (which is truth, a truth that we are to be sanctified in -- John 17:17). Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (Just what is sound doctrine? ll Tim. 3:16, declares DOCTRINE SHOULD COME FROM SCRIPTURE, as it will make you COMPLETE), but according to their own desires will turn their ears away from the truth, AND BE TURNED TO FABLES." -- ll Tim 4:2-4.

A greater truth is not revealed in God's word. Just tune in any Sunday morning preacher that is supposedly preaching the word of God and actually consider the WORDS that proceed to come from the pulpit...one might get one LONE passage "cherry picked" from the content of the Holy Bible and spoken on for upwards of an hour, while twisting and reshaping the original intent of that single passage into a message that adds to the coffers of whatever person or organization that he/she might be speaking for. And as always, they leave you with the same message. 'GOD LOVES YOU BUT PLEASE SEND YOUR TAX FREE DONATIONS TO "my address" '.

I present nothing personal in my retorts and do not wish to step on anyones toes..this is not the intent, the intent is to simply present the truth as written in the scriptures. If I failed to defend that which I base by faith upon, I would fail both myself and my Lord. (R)
Do you even think I am defending or condoning the "messages" of either? Not seeing the likeness does not mean I am sticking up for either or both.
I may well not see any likeness between a man of great political acquistion who is guilty of extortion and a poor heroin addict either. But it doesn't mean I am "for" either.

Did you ever read the Scripture that says to speak the truth in love?

OD
Old 07-05-2008, 11:48 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I just let my wife see this video...
She said "those are your people".
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I just let my wife see this video...
She said "those are your people".
Should I be offended? LOL.
How did she mean it? Are you religious? Are you black? Are you Ghetto? Are you a preacher? Are you stark raving mad?
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How did she mean it? I'm not sure...

Are you religious? Not in the least.

Are you black? Somewhat.

Are you Ghetto? I was born there. But never really fit in...LOL.

Are you a preacher? Are you kidding?

Are you stark raving mad? I plead the 5th.
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How did she mean it? I'm not sure...

I don't think any man TRULY knows what a woman means.

Are you religious? Not in the least.

Good for you!
Are you black? Somewhat.

Good Answer!

Are you Ghetto? I was born there. But never really fit in...LOL.

Me Too!

Are you a preacher? Are you kidding?

I wasn't, but point taken.

Are you stark raving mad? I plead the 5th.


That's probably for the best...
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Pray tell, why not just point out ANOTHER example of limitless freedoms, personal rights, wealth, and the protection offered AS DOES capitalism and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA....who's capitalistic mannerisms have saved the "proverbial rear ends" that represent Communism....not once but twice in recent history.
Just what are you talking about? Unspecific generalities aren't evidence of anything besides your inadequate defense.


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The proof is in the pudding. Just present another society such as found in the United States, with the "proven" success that has followed.
The vast majority of third-world countries are attempting to bring themselves out of poverty via capitalistic modes of production but are not only failing miserably but are getting worse.

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I prefer to live and base my life upon actual life circumstances....not conceptual theory, that ACTUAL HISTORY has demonstrated to be an abstract study in failure...time after time. (R)
The only proven historical fact of this is that laissez-faire always necessitates socialization in order to avoid collapse. Laissez-faire is merely the exacerbation of the imbalance that is capitalism, which on the other end of the spectrum seeks to consistently revolutionize its material conditions to avoid internal balance.
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