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Old 06-27-2008, 06:04 PM   #111 (permalink)
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I'm not afraid of anything. I've been through enough to know that I can handle anything that doesn't kill me. Tell me, are really saying that you believe that God sits back and arranges us all onto a chess board and has a hand in the way men have shaped the society we live in? You don't think that there can be a God that allows us to choose our destinies? Because there are still plenty of Hindus and Buddhists and Shintoists, and traditional Native Americans who don't worship the same God as you do. And there would be a lot more different kinds of beliefs if the church ahdn't done such a bang up job burning them at the stake and the like. You can call it a right wing conspiracy if you like, that wouldn't be my choice of words, unless I was referring to what the Republicans did to our country during the whole Monica Lewinsky debacle. I would call it a global initiative on the part of the Roman Church, yes, that sounds right.

And you were being overly nasty for no reason. Having a bad day, are we?
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:09 PM   #112 (permalink)
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You sound very defensive and victimised.
Do I? Damn - I was going for "sarcastic and condescending". I'll have to work on that.

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It seems like you are completely missing the point, perhaps deliberately.
Since your point seems to be "My god is better than anybody else's god because he has this great book people claim he wrote and lots of people who believe in him", I don't think I'm missing it in the least. I think it's a ridiculous point, and I think it's an inaccurate point, but if you had even a modicum of interest in having an actual discussion it might be a point worth debating. I find comparative religion and understanding why people believe what they do to be fascinating.

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Old 06-27-2008, 06:23 PM   #113 (permalink)
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You are the queen of ignoring any information that doesn't agree with your version of your religion. No matter the evidence, if you don't like it, it's a lie. And if you must know, the "moon God of Arabia", was actually the moon Goddess, Allat. But you in your infinite wisdom of religious history, already knew that, right? Just like Elohim is a male noun with a feminie ending, which makes the God of Abraham a hermaphrodite God/Goddess.
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I don't mind if he's snarky - it's not totally unexpected and personally I find it rather funny. Besides, his woeful lack of (or denial of) historical knowledge is kind of amusing. Also see my "My god is better than your god!" comment above...



Can't help but wonder why he's so intent on convincing others. Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel the need to "defend" my faith. I don't need anyone else's permission or validation in order to follow my beliefs. I don't need to "prove" my beliefs are right to anyone else. They're right for me, so that's really all that matters.

You haven't even mentioned what your faith is!

I was simply asking you to explain why anyone would consider all these forgotten gods from the ancient world in the same breath as the one and only True and Living God.

That's when you recoiled into a chronically defensive position.




I think it's amusing that garysher keeps coming back to the idea that religion is some kind of popularity contest, like God is some high school sport jock who needs all his friends to tell him that he's the very bestest one in the world so that he can feel superior, and his sycophants trail in his wake so they can feel better about themselves by associating with "the cool kids".

What were you saying about being 'snarky'??
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I'm not afraid of anything. I've been through enough to know that I can handle anything that doesn't kill me.

So why get all defensive about being 'bullied'?

Stand up for yourself woman!



Tell me, are really saying that you believe that God sits back and arranges us all onto a chess board and has a hand in the way men have shaped the society we live in? You don't think that there can be a God that allows us to choose our destinies? Because there are still plenty of Hindus and Buddhists and Shintoists, and traditional Native Americans who don't worship the same God as you do. And there would be a lot more different kinds of beliefs if the church ahdn't done such a bang up job burning them at the stake and the like.


What does this have to do with trying to explain why those ancient gods have faded from view?




And you were being overly nasty for no reason. Having a bad day, are we?
Having a great day - and about to take off for the weekend!
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Do I? Damn - I was going for "sarcastic and condescending". I'll have to work on that.



Since your point seems to be "My god is better than anybody else's god because he has this great book people claim he wrote and lots of people who believe in him", I don't think I'm missing it in the least. I think it's a ridiculous point, and I think it's an inaccurate point, but if you had even a modicum of interest in having an actual discussion it might be a point worth debating. I find comparative religion and understanding why people believe what they do to be fascinating.

Me too.

So why would anyone want to consider those expired gods from ancient Greece or Egypt or Rome in the same context as the True and Living God of the Christian faith?

Other than your desire to be obstreperous?
Old 06-27-2008, 07:00 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Cactus, I never called you a hateful bigot. Please don't put words in my mouth.

And Gary, your argument is very flawed. It does not take a genius to see how Christianity became the domninant religion of the west. It was through persecution, inqusition, and the burning of any texts that didn't concur with the church. It was the taking over of pre-Christian holy sites by the church and the incorporation of the pre-Christian deities into the religion that kept the peasants coming to church.

And it is you who are being defensive and closed minded on this subject, not to mention entirely to snarky with Tirya. Quit the bullying tactics and use your brain to defend your position.

Enjoy your version of your religion all you like, but stop trying to convince everyone who doesn't agree with you that they are wrong. It might be helpful to act like the Christian that you claim to be.
Thank you. I'm not a hateful bigot. I'm not putting words in your mouth, either. I am not forcing my religion on you, nor will I force my faith on you. Again, you tell me to stop convincing people that my faith is better. This forum is called defending the truth. I believe that faith in Jesus Christ is the truth and the only truth, so I defend what I think is true. You defend what you think is true, and have every right to do so.

I do act like the Christian I claim to be. I haven't attacked your beliefs once. Actually, I don't know what your believe. Please don't judge me when you don't know me. I've not once insulted you with any names, remarks, or judged you based on incidents by people of your religion.
So, please stop singing that song.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:52 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Thank you. I'm not a hateful bigot. I'm not putting words in your mouth, either. I am not forcing my religion on you, nor will I force my faith on you. Again, you tell me to stop convincing people that my faith is better. This forum is called defending the truth. I believe that faith in Jesus Christ is the truth and the only truth, so I defend what I think is true. You defend what you think is true, and have every right to do so.

I do act like the Christian I claim to be. I haven't attacked your beliefs once. Actually, I don't know what your believe. Please don't judge me when you don't know me. I've not once insulted you with any names, remarks, or judged you based on incidents by people of your religion.
So, please stop singing that song.
Way to go Cactus. Love that post.

It's funny how people lose sight of what "Defending the Truth" means.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:37 PM   #119 (permalink)
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So why would anyone want to consider those expired gods from ancient Greece or Egypt or Rome in the same context as the True and Living God of the Christian faith?
Not "expired" - sorry to keep having to burst your bubble on that point, but wishing it won't make them go away.

This is your idea of debating a point? Retreating yet again to the "My god is better than anybody else's god because he has this great book people claim he wrote and lots of people who believe in him" tactic, and adding "because my god has this great book people claim he wrote and lots of people who believe in him, he shouldn't even be in the same class as any other god or religion so there hah"?
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Not "expired" - sorry to keep having to burst your bubble on that point, but wishing it won't make them go away.

This is your idea of debating a point? Retreating yet again to the "My god is better than anybody else's god because he has this great book people claim he wrote and lots of people who believe in him" tactic, and adding "because my god has this great book people claim he wrote and lots of people who believe in him, he shouldn't even be in the same class as any other god or religion so there hah"?
Nice try at dodging my question for the nth time!

Let me bully you by offering you one last chance - if these gods from the ancient world really created the Universe and everything in it, why did mankind forget about them?

And why is the God of Abraham still commanding faith from billions of people all over the world?

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