Explain something to me Gary...if you and all the other Christians worship the "one, true God", why is it that Christians die just the same as all those pagans? Why doesn't your God heal Christian amputees and cancer victims? Why doesn't your God get off his ass and answer some prayers?

From here he looks just as useless and impotent as any other God. Throw in all the hatred espoused in your "holy" book and I can't think of a single reason why anyone in their right mind would worship that disgusting thing even if it were real.

You want to pray to a God of blood and death you go right ahead, just don't be surprised when the rest of us point our finger at you and laugh. Three hundred years ago Christians could just kill anyone that didn't agree to worship their evil deity, but now I'm afraid you have to hear our truth same as we have to hear yours.

I haven't dodged anything - I've answered your question on more than one occasion. The fact that you don't like my answer is your problem, not mine.

Ref: posts #91, #103

1. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God.-Romans 3:23
This means that we are not perfect, like God, and have died spiritually. We must be born again in the spirit. Also, the Bible tells that the rai nfalls on the righteous as well the wicked. This allow non believers to see that bad things happen to everyone, and that Christians are not loved, by God, anymore than nonbelievers.
2. How do you know that God doesn't answer prayers? Is it ironic that so many highly ecucated doctors and physicians are Christians? They see miraculous healings often, especially those in cancer wards. There are hunderds of cases of AIDs patients in Africa being healed from their sickness. Explain that.
3. The Bible preaches no hatred. It does preach against lying, infidelity, adultery, sodomy, murder, cheating, disobeying authority, and worshiping molded images.
4. God is not one of death and blood. He loves us and died for our sins. He came down for heaven, lived a poor man's life, was tempted in all ways as we are, helped hundereds, performed dozens of miracle, and then was beaten and nailed to a cross. He did all this so we could go to heaven and be with Him. He loved us first before we loved Him.
4. We could speak of the atrocities that pagans have done to thier own people for thousands of years. The god Molech comes to mind. Ancient pagans would throw their conscious babies and children into pits of raging fire. They watch and chant as the flesh of their own children would burn off. You wonder why God commanded the Israelites to leave not one Amelikite. Also, Romans threw early Christians into pits of hungry lions and burned them at the stake.
I can go tit for tat if you like. I would that you bring something intelligent.

So is sin committed through an act of free will or through merely being? In short, is culpability placed on a human merely by virtue of how such a 'glorious God' created man in the first place?

Presumably an all-powerful God would be able to create a better world without sin, no?

So wait, God is not perfect now?

So God eventually fulfills this equality of love through the eternal suffering of the non-believing?

First of all, let's forget the fact that these claims are totally unsubstantiated and their weight incidentally completely depends on their being so. There may be Christian doctors and physicians, but ask pretty much any doctor and they will believe in the treatment of patients through the humanly practice of medicine over faith healing. I've never heard of a confirmed case of faith healing, however I have heard many stories of children dying because their parents were ignorant and backward enough to think their omniscient invisible friend would save them.

And not believing; all of which is punishable by death, according to the bible. I guess we're just supposed to 'lovingly' kill infidels. Look how well that worked out in the Middle Ages.

Please, the entire fulfillment story of Jesus, which even you incidentally cite, is based on a conception of blood sacrifice. Not to mention the Biblical God himself is just as or more vengeful of his own creations than any other deity.

I can't put a defense on behalf of pagans, because I agree that religion is bloody. However one thing you don't seem to realize is that historically such atrocities peaked when committed in the name of the Abrahamic traditions; Christianity being arguably the bloodiest. Nothing the pagans ever did even comes close to being compared with the mass continental campaigns of persecution, murder, and genocide undertaken by Christian authorities in the past.

I agree with you all the way to the end where you seem to indicate that there is more than one truth. There can only be one truth, it is not relative. That is why it is so important that we don't try to soften our stance against religious people. The mere fact that they partake in a fantasy does not afford them any special protections, at least it shouldn't. People must face reality. This massive delusion being suffered by the religious right is not something that we should try to dance around in the name of being polite. It is harming our society, and we must try to educate these people.

Tandarr, welcome to DTT. Enjoy your battles with Garysher, who thinks he knows everything.

Yea, cause thats what he said

Why dont you just answer the question??

As a child, did you have to be taught to lie? To be selfish? To covet? ect ect
Not only was he able, he did just that.
You know, he was being perfectly civil, just cause you disagree with him, doesnt mean you have to twist his words to say things he wasnt saying. Its litteraly amazing the hate people have for anyone who says Christ is there God.




I have wittnessed these miricals right before my eyes. It happens, wether you want to believe it or not.
Do we really have to explain AGAIN, the difference between old test Jewish law, and what Christ acomplished at the cross?? Never mind, its obvious at this point to WANT to be ignorant of it.
Yea, based on HIS shed blood, not anyone elses.
I would like to see the numbers pound for pound. Besides, no one here is saying to look tward what man has done to find Christ. ALL have fallen short.