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Originally Posted by waitingtables
I am not a Muslim. I have no problem with people who are the followers of Jesus, I don't think however, that all of the organisations calling themselves Christian really fit the description. And I know what Elohim means, and as I said, it would include both aspects of gender, whether spiritually or energetically. I wasn't speaking about physicality. And if as you say, God carries all qualities, why do you refer to it as a male?
Oh, and Abraham did not have a child with Sara, until after Hagar had given birth to her son. And God protected Hagar and her son, when Sara exiled them, she was hoping that they would die.
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I refer to God as Him because that is what He calls Himself. He is our heavenly Father, but definitely not a man or a woman. If God wants to be called our heavenly Mother, then so be it.
Thank you for the Bible lesson, but I already knew that Ishmael was the first born. God protects all people who need it and call on Him. Americans don't realize or recognize how blessed they really are. Why, our very conversation is not allowed in public in a Muslim country, even most other countries. We are truly as good as it gets as freedoms go.
You are right about most organizations. Christianity is not some country club, socialite religion. It saddens me that you think of me as a hateful, judgemental bigot. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I am the only Christian at my place of work. I have heard rude remarks about my faith. I also don't agree with their lifestyles, but I don't hit them on head with a Bible. I just try to be an example.
If more Christians reached out to people, in love, and lived according to the Bible, than maybe you would be a Christian.
| Originally Posted by waitingtables  Cactus, I never called you a hateful bigot. Please don't put words in my mouth. And Gary, your argument is very flawed. It does not take a genius to see how Christianity became the domninant religion of the west. It was through persecution, inqusition, and the burning of any texts that didn't concur with the church. It was the taking over of pre-Christian holy sites by the church and the incorporation of the pre-Christian deities into the religion that kept the peasants coming to church. And it is you who are being defensive and closed minded on this subject, not to mention entirely to snarky with Tirya. Quit the bullying tactics and use your brain to defend your position. Enjoy your version of your religion all you like, but stop trying to convince everyone who doesn't agree with you that they are wrong. It might be helpful to act like the Christian that you claim to be.
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Thank you. I'm not a hateful bigot. I'm not putting words in your mouth, either. I am not forcing my religion on you, nor will I force my faith on you. Again, you tell me to stop convincing people that my faith is better. This forum is called defending the truth. I believe that faith in Jesus Christ is the truth and the only truth, so I defend what I think is true. You defend what you think is true, and have every right to do so.
I do act like the Christian I claim to be. I haven't attacked your beliefs once. Actually, I don't know what your believe. Please don't judge me when you don't know me. I've not once insulted you with any names, remarks, or judged you based on incidents by people of your religion.
So, please stop singing that song.
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Please find me the post where I called you a hateful, judgemental bigot. I am very confused by your persecution complex. I was debating properly and did not insult you.
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