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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 07-03-2008, 02:15 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Yea, cause this proves life can spontaniously create its self????????

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It indicates it can evolve.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:16 PM   #232 (permalink)
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It indicates it can evolve.
And this disproves the existence of God because..............
Old 07-03-2008, 02:16 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Maybe the name Creationism was created by humans, but my question was how did Creationism come to pass?

Did it 'just happen'?
It didn't come to pass.

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Point being when you remove God from theories of creation they become even more unbelievable than when you leave Him in!
Not at all. I fail to see how abiogenesis, which is perfectly possible under the laws of physics, is any less believable than a wild story about an invisible intelligence in the sky that sprinkled his pixie dust on Earth with no evidence whatsoever thereby requiring "faith".
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:18 PM   #234 (permalink)
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So what is YOUR explanation?
Explanation about what?
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:19 PM   #235 (permalink)
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It didn't come to pass.



Not at all. I fail to see how abiogenesis, which is perfectly possible under the laws of physics, is any less believable than a wild story about an invisible intelligence in the sky that sprinkled his pixie dust on Earth with no evidence whatsoever thereby requiring "faith".
But how did abiogenesis come to pass? And who drew up the laws of physics?

Do you have faith that it all 'just happened'?
Old 07-03-2008, 02:22 PM   #236 (permalink)
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With the exception of the first, they've done all of those. Scientific theories aren't "proven" in the literal sense of the term; even the theories of gravity and the path of rotation of the Earth around the Sun aren't "proven".
They've done all of what???? They have in no way what so ever proved life can create its self. And I mean not even close.
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There's no evidence of intrinsic 'design' anywhere beyond the design of careful natural selection over billions of years; a good chunk of which was taken just in the development of the building blocks of life.
No evidence of design????? Its funny how people can see different things. All there is is design. How could anyone willfully denie it?? I guess adding a few billion years makes anything possible hu?? LOL Running a tornato through a junk yard will never create a working lawn mower, no matter how many billions of years it has. What you are suggesting has a far greater odds against it.
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Whatever gets me through the night? I'm not the one who has to make up stories of a big invisible man at the heart of existence looking over me.
I never made up any such story.
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But how did abiogenesis come to pass? And who drew up the laws of physics?
This is assuming that it needed "drawing up". It could very likely be that the parameters of the universe happened by random chance, by probable chance, or even by necessity.

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Do you have faith that it all 'just happened'?
No but I don't pretend to have all the answers either.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:23 PM   #238 (permalink)
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It didn't come to pass.



Not at all. I fail to see how abiogenesis, which is perfectly possible under the laws of physics, is any less believable than a wild story about an invisible intelligence in the sky that sprinkled his pixie dust on Earth with no evidence whatsoever thereby requiring "faith".

Define "perfectly possible". I mean its never been witnessed. Never been made in a lab. What makes it even close to perfectly possible?
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Define "perfectly possible". I mean its never been witnessed. Never been made in a lab. What makes it even close to perfectly possible?

The Miller-Urey experiment (or Urey-Miller experiment) was an experiment that simulated hypothetical conditions present on the early Earth and tested for the occurrence of chemical evolution. Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. Considered to be the classic experiment on the origin of life, it was conducted in 1953 by Stanley L. Miller and Harold C. Urey at the University of Chicago.[1][2][3]

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They've done all of what???? They have in no way what so ever proved life can create its self. And I mean not even close.
Wait, are we talking about evolution or life creating itself? If you want proof of life creating itself, just go to the birth floor of any hospital, or watch a cell split and replicate.

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No evidence of design????? Its funny how people can see different things. All there is is design. How could anyone willfully denie it??
This isn't an argument at all. I can do the same thing, watch: No evidence of evolution?? How can anyone deny it? All there is is evolution.

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I guess adding a few billion years makes anything possible hu?? LOL Running a tornato through a junk yard will never create a working lawn mower, no matter how many billions of years it has. What you are suggesting has a far greater odds against it.
Actually, mathematically anything's possible. In fact, given infinity anything's inevitable. It doesn't violate the laws of physics for me to tell you that if you push against your wall for nearly an infinity, you will eventually be able to walk through it. Likewise, a monkey punching random keys on a typewriter for an infinite amount of time will almost surely produce the entire works of Shakespeare.

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I never made up any such story.
Oh, so you don't believe in God now?
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