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Old 06-16-2008, 06:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 06-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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1. People don't need legs to live. This sounds irrational, but many people do it. I saw a guy eating with his feet and another playing the guitar. I don't know why God doesn't heal amputees, but He did die for our sins and in heaven we are made perfect.

2. God leaves this world in our hands. People are starving because other people don't help them. When is the last time you cradled a sick child in your hands? When is the last time you donated your pay check to feeding these starving kids? Quit blaming God for your complacency.

3. No one is innocent. STDs are rampant in our world, mainly due to lack of restraint. The percentage of married people contracting is almost ZERO. If a person is caught stealing a loaf of bread and harshly punished, then larger theft crimes would be obsolete. There was no police force at the time the commandments were given, so God had to lay down the Laws and rules. We forget that the whole world is not as sensitive to feelings and personal freedoms as in America.

4. The Bible does not contain any anti-scientific non sense. For example, sea shells are found on mountains, which occur a thousand miles away from the coast. A worldwide flood explains this quite well. Evolution teaches that they arrived there due to tectonic activity. Which makes better sense?
Also, evolution teaches that we slowly evolved over a long time, but there is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Where are the half bird/mammals? Or half fish/frogs? There are none; only large gaps
The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old. It does say that God created the heavens and the earth. Evolution teaches that the earth came from nothing, randomly happened from mud or primordial stew, and over a series of mutations took place. Creation teaches that we were created by something superior in intelligence to us. Which is easier to explain

5. Ridiculous claim. God grants us all freedom to choose whether we obey Him or not. God uses slavery as a way to reach others. For example, Daniel was an eunuch under Babylon rule, and ended up as a highly appointed official under Babylonian and Persian rule. Joseph was a slave and a prisoner and ended up as the second most powerful man in the Egyptian kingdom.
Jesus will never leave us, even when we reject Him.

6. God uses good and bad situations to bring about His glory. We grow stronger through pain than in delight. We grow smarter through mistakes rather than always being right. Also, bad things help remind us that we are not God. This is hard to swallow for many learned people.
In a further note, what is a good person to you? Hitler thought he was doing good when he wanted to destroy all but white Aryans in Europe. Man's idea of what is good is flawed and based on each individual. There must be a higher authority to decide what is good. Thankfully, Jesus made a way to go heaven even we were and are really, really, really bad.

7. What do you consider evidence? His body was watched by Roman guards day and night, but somehow He moved a huge stone, broke the Roman seal and was eye witnessed by over 500 people. If this is all made up, than why dud the apostles risk humiliation, beatings, scorning, and death for many? Also, they made themsleves out to be cowards and fools. What author does that.
Also, they stated that women were the first to see Him resurrected. This is madness in biblical times.
Do you want to see pictures? I've never seen a blue whale, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

8. Again, just because you haven't sen something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jesus saved me from my depression and drug addiction. No one and nothing could have stopped me from living that lifestyle. I am full of purpose, not blind purpose like environmentalism. I have Him to pray to. I have peace in my life, not some dumb chanting and tambourine banging. I don't live as a bum, forsaking all worldly stuff. I am a normal, content person.
Even if He did appear, I doubt most would follow or listen to Him. He is God and doesn't need to parade Himself for our approval.

9. Obviously, He spoke in metaphor. He meant that we must drink of the Spirit of God-Holy Spirit being poured out onto believers- and eat of His sacrifice-death on the cross. Remember that the Bible was written not with Americanized or modern parables and metaphors. You are smarter than this. Don't be silly.

10. Christains get divorced beacaue they are human and fallen in sin. The Bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That means that we-Christians-are not perfect and need forgiveness as much as anyone else. This statistics proves that Christians are not better than non Christians.
God made a way to go to heaven. We should honor that free gift. Only God can forgive sin. We don't have to live a perfect life. We don't have to go to church to go to heaven or be some crusader character, smacking people with a Bible. We need to accept Christ as Savior and honor God wholly , as well as love your neighbor as yourself.

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1. People don't need legs to live. This sounds irrational, but many people do it. I saw a guy eating with his feet and another playing the guitar. I don't know why God doesn't heal amputees, but He did die for our sins and in heaven we are made perfect.

2. God leaves this world in our hands. People are starving because other people don't help them. When is the last time you cradled a sick child in your hands? When is the last time you donated your pay check to feeding these starving kids? Quit blaming God for your complacency.

3. No one is innocent. STDs are rampant in our world, mainly due to lack of restraint. The percentage of married people contracting is almost ZERO. If a person is caught stealing a loaf of bread and harshly punished, then larger theft crimes would be obsolete. There was no police force at the time the commandments were given, so God had to lay down the Laws and rules. We forget that the whole world is not as sensitive to feelings and personal freedoms as in America.

4. The Bible does not contain any anti-scientific non sense. For example, sea shells are found on mountains, which occur a thousand miles away from the coast. A worldwide flood explains this quite well. Evolution teaches that they arrived there due to tectonic activity. Which makes better sense?
Also, evolution teaches that we slowly evolved over a long time, but there is NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Where are the half bird/mammals? Or half fish/frogs? There are none; only large gaps
The Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old. It does say that God created the heavens and the earth. Evolution teaches that the earth came from nothing, randomly happened from mud or primordial stew, and over a series of mutations took place. Creation teaches that we were created by something superior in intelligence to us. Which is easier to explain

5. Ridiculous claim. God grants us all freedom to choose whether we obey Him or not. God uses slavery as a way to reach others. For example, Daniel was an eunuch under Babylon rule, and ended up as a highly appointed official under Babylonian and Persian rule. Joseph was a slave and a prisoner and ended up as the second most powerful man in the Egyptian kingdom.
Jesus will never leave us, even when we reject Him.

6. God uses good and bad situations to bring about His glory. We grow stronger through pain than in delight. We grow smarter through mistakes rather than always being right. Also, bad things help remind us that we are not God. This is hard to swallow for many learned people.
In a further note, what is a good person to you? Hitler thought he was doing good when he wanted to destroy all but white Aryans in Europe. Man's idea of what is good is flawed and based on each individual. There must be a higher authority to decide what is good. Thankfully, Jesus made a way to go heaven even we were and are really, really, really bad.

7. What do you consider evidence? His body was watched by Roman guards day and night, but somehow He moved a huge stone, broke the Roman seal and was eye witnessed by over 500 people. If this is all made up, than why dud the apostles risk humiliation, beatings, scorning, and death for many? Also, they made themsleves out to be cowards and fools. What author does that.
Also, they stated that women were the first to see Him resurrected. This is madness in biblical times.
Do you want to see pictures? I've never seen a blue whale, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

8. Again, just because you haven't sen something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Jesus saved me from my depression and drug addiction. No one and nothing could have stopped me from living that lifestyle. I am full of purpose, not blind purpose like environmentalism. I have Him to pray to. I have peace in my life, not some dumb chanting and tambourine banging. I don't live as a bum, forsaking all worldly stuff. I am a normal, content person.
Even if He did appear, I doubt most would follow or listen to Him. He is God and doesn't need to parade Himself for our approval.

9. Obviously, He spoke in metaphor. He meant that we must drink of the Spirit of God-Holy Spirit being poured out onto believers- and eat of His sacrifice-death on the cross. Remember that the Bible was written not with Americanized or modern parables and metaphors. You are smarter than this. Don't be silly.

10. Christains get divorced beacaue they are human and fallen in sin. The Bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That means that we-Christians-are not perfect and need forgiveness as much as anyone else. This statistics proves that Christians are not better than non Christians.
God made a way to go to heaven. We should honor that free gift. Only God can forgive sin. We don't have to live a perfect life. We don't have to go to church to go to heaven or be some crusader character, smacking people with a Bible. We need to accept Christ as Savior and honor God wholly , as well as love your neighbor as yourself.

PLEASE COMMENT.
Great first post. Hello cactus
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I watched the movie, or should I say I watched the PowerPoint presentation, and found it rather feeble and seriously flawed:

1. He bases his 'argument' on a series of clumsy leading questions that would embarrass even a first-year pre-Law major. Saying that 'you have to make an excuse' to respond to one of his leading questions is hardly an indication of an open mind - it's more akin to the Sean Hannitty school of debating techniques!

2. He spends some time appealing to people he defines as intelligent, people who are 'college-educated', then goes on to prove he's really not that intelligent himself. A college education doesn't provide anyone with an ability to take a step of faith nor is it intended to do so.

3. His worst failing is that he shows a complete lack of imagination as he tries to reduce God to the level of man's puny logic. But the Creator of the Universe and everything in it doesn't need to jump through any hoops in order to comply with a severely constrained, man-shaped schema of reality.

4 .Just because we don't understand how God works doesn't mean he doesn't exist! It just means we aren't as smart as we think

5. The existence of God can never be proven, nor disproven, using logic. That's why it requires the courage to take a step of faith, despite all the unanswered questions.
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I agree with that Gary, but don't forget that when you are berating others for beliefs that aren't the same as what you believe.
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For someone that is to lazy to ask any question in a personal fashion and only presents parroted thoughts from others....is not worth the time of offering any retort. If you personally have any question concerning Christianity or Scripture. Present them in a reasonable fashion. One query at a time. And we shall reason together as each response can often be time consuming, and the ad nauseam presentation of pasting a web page of meaningless ramblings without substance is merely a tactic without merit that always gains the respect that it deserves. NONE.

But each question can be answered with one passage from the scriptures...each, and be true. 1.)God does not lie...He has no respect of person, Find the promise where "miracles" are to be used for personal measure and controlled by anyone other than The Spirit that produces them. All miracles were presented to confirm the word of truth that God was presenting, and not for personal gain, but merely to demonstrate the fact of the divine nature and origin of the message and to Glorify the Christ -- Acts 3:11-13. God has told us, they would cease when the need for them was fulfilled...again, God can not lie nor does he have respect of person.

2.) Again God can not and does not lie. "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkended unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat it: CURSED IS THE GROUND for thy sake; IN SORROW shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life." From that time forward man was commanded to eat his livelihood and life substance by the fruit of his labor...until, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground, for out of it wast thou taken; for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." -- Genesis 3: 17,19. Thus, I agree with the post. This nation has donated some 11 trillion dollars to the care and nurture of people (in just the last few decades) that have been inflicted with physical and mental circumstance that makes them both physically and mentally impoverished...a great deal of such support comes from Christians. With this thought...just what does anyone suggest, has this vast amount of funds made such conditions surrender to the HUMAN CONDITION OF LIFE? NO, thats simply because the conditions that make such will always be a part of human life, they are circumstance, illness, and sometimes just plain sloth and laziness.....control these conditions and you will find your answer. But as Christ understood...you will always have such conditions and thus, "The poor you will have among you always." -- John 12:8. More later. (R)

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Daniel was an eunuch under Babylon rule, and ended up as a highly appointed official under Babylonian and Persian rule. PLEASE COMMENT.
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No, Daniel did not. How is that relevant? Again, non believers scoff at God's word in order to get a rise out of Christians. What non believers should be asking is, " Who is Jesus the Christ?"

Christ was either three things: a liar, a lunatic, or LORD.
Liar-He claimed He was, is, and will be God forever. He claimed that, "before Abraham was, I AM," claiming His divinity. He just fooled others, but He knew He was not God.
Lunatic-He believed He is God, but was mentally ill and really wasn't.
LORD-His claims were and are true.
People must first address this issue before any other "contradiction" or topic concerning. After all, Jesus is the One who nonbelievers hate. His way makes you feel uncomfortable. You all don't like feeling guilty about cheating your taxes or checking out that hot, young receptionist. He is the stumbling block in your life-not Christians, the church, or the bible.
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Well, I have great feeling for Jesus, but I have trouble with those who claim to speak for him or God, his messengers shall we say? And he could have been more than those three things, for he could be letting us in on a great mystery, one that maybe a large segment of his flock might not have "gotten" yet. It could be that what he claimed to be, was something that we all are, but must uncover through spiritual exercise and right living.
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