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Old 06-23-2008, 11:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The TRUTH is simply the truth....I merely accept it as such, and NO ONE has proven the writings of the Holy Scriptures that self professes to being divinely inspired and proper to use for ALL Doctrine -- ll Tim 3:16-17, to being anything OTHER than the truth that it represents. You are correct the truth is SUPERIOR in all fashions to opinion and speculation....it is you that continues to espouse that it is not true, in All its presentation, thus giving you the rationalization to pick the parts of it that justifies YOUR CHOICES, and this seems some what pompous from my personal point of view. If the entirety of the Scriptures are wrong....simply prove them to be as such, until such time I shall continue to hold their representative truths as SUPERIOR. ITS THE ONLY LOGICAL THING TO DO....no? (R)
That is what you believe. I on the other hand, can see that the book has much to offer, but does not have to come directly from the mouth of God to be important, my faith is not dependent on what men wrote thousands of years ago as being the word of God. I don't need to do that to practice my faith. It doesn't matter, the only time it does is when people try to use it to limit the freedoms of other people. You should be actively living your faith in works, rather than engaging in the counterproductive claims of superiority.
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Old 06-25-2008, 12:30 PM   #22 (permalink)
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That is what you believe. I on the other hand, can see that the book has much to offer, but does not have to come directly from the mouth of God to be important, my faith is not dependent on what men wrote thousands of years ago as being the word of God. I don't need to do that to practice my faith. It doesn't matter, the only time it does is when people try to use it to limit the freedoms of other people. You should be actively living your faith in works, rather than engaging in the counterproductive claims of superiority.
Okay, I will actively live my faith in works. Everyone knows that we should not murder. Yet, since Roe vs. Wade, over 40 MILLION babies-fetuses-have been terminated. Over 95% of abortions are just unwanted pregnancies. Where is their freedom to live? Don't tell me that "The mother has the right to choose!" Does she have the right to choose death to a baby?

Also, are you saying that we should have the right to worship how we choose? What we feel is right? Charlie Manson thought what he did was right. Imposing Sharia Law is definetely not right. Imposing the Hindu cast system and untouchables isn't right. Riping out someone's heart isn't right. We, in developed nations, have a hard time looking down at reality from our ivory towers.
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What you're missing in my thinking is that yes, we should be free to worship however we like. And cult members are free to do that until they hurt someone or do something to another individual without their permission. Crimes are not acceptable forms of worship, are they? And living your faith through your works has nothing to do with an anti abortion stance. Because you cannot control others actions, but you can talk with them, offer to help them if they need it and show them kindness and compassion, even if they terminated a pregnancy. That would be great. But judging and condemning others is not living your faith through works.
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What you're missing in my thinking is that yes, we should be free to worship however we like. And cult members are free to do that until they hurt someone or do something to another individual without their permission. Crimes are not acceptable forms of worship, are they? And living your faith through your works has nothing to do with an anti abortion stance. Because you cannot control others actions, but you can talk with them, offer to help them if they need it and show them kindness and compassion, even if they terminated a pregnancy. That would be great. But judging and condemning others is not living your faith through works.
Jesus tells us to Love God with all our being and to love our neighbors as ourself. We need to be Christ like. I'll be the first to admit that not all believers live this. Jesus showed compassion, love, longsuffering; He died for us. He also told people to repent, give up their old ways, and follow Him.
I don't judge or condemn you, but I do tell you that following Jesus is great. Take it how you want. I consider children in the womb my neighbor. Most of the opponents, in DC, are women. So, men are still telling women what to do with their bodies. If you want to kill your baby, then so be it. There are many physical, emotional, and mental side effects from abortions that are not mentioned. Just ask around.

I would help anyone with their problems; matter of fact, I do. I mean it, I would. I don't want anyone to go to hell. Its not a place designed for us, only renegade angels. I do this b/c I believe the Bibel, not b/c I want to control you. I don't know you at all.

I think more Christians need to let the world know them (Christians) by their love. We need to do more. To expect believers to keep their faith to themself would hurt the community. Many organizations that help the poor and broken, are operated by Christians. They do this with no earthly gain.

"We do not battle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places."-Eph. 6:12. This tells me that I am not to fight you, but causes that will destroy us all.
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What you're missing in my thinking is that yes, we should be free to worship however we like. And cult members are free to do that until they hurt someone or do something to another individual without their permission. Crimes are not acceptable forms of worship, are they? And living your faith through your works has nothing to do with an anti abortion stance. Because you cannot control others actions, but you can talk with them, offer to help them if they need it and show them kindness and compassion, even if they terminated a pregnancy. That would be great. But judging and condemning others is not living your faith through works.
I have come to understand, from your posts, that Christians have hurt you or have done evil in the world. Have I done something to offend you?
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Jesus is not imaginary. If I go by your logic then seeing is believing. I have never seen a ruby, so they don not exist. I have never seen a blue whale so they do not exist. I have never seen you so you do not exist.
The meaning of life is simple. I live in glory and in victory for God. Your sad reasoning shows that you want to be God and determine your fate. You can try, but you can't and will someday die.

If there is no Jesus, or God for this matter, than what is life worth living for? If we just evolved or life appeared magically (POOF!) as evolution teachings, than why do you struggle? Why do you put so much effort in making others look bad? Why do you waste time reading and learning just to prove others wrong? I would just go out and live life as I see fit. I would do anything anytime I wanted. If I die, so what; life is over at that point.
Why do good? Why help anyone? Why worry? Its survival of the fittest. Kill the old, sick, retarded, black, Jew, and Christian to create an utopian society (sounds like Germany or Russia).
Your life would have no purpose, meaning, reason without God.
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Your hatred for God and Christianity concerns me. What reason do you have to post this stuff?

Remember that neither Christians, the church, the pope, or priests/ministers are what will forgive sin and allow into heaven. Only God, through the sinless life and sacrificial death of our Lord Jesus the Christ, can we enter. This all sounds new and foolish, I'm sure.

Ask yourself, "Why does this guy care about me? Why is he telling me this stuff?" I have no axe to grind or whatever, but I know what you're feeling right now. I was there. Let go, and let God. You will not be sorry, believe me and trust God.

There's nothing you can do about it.

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. .... For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." -- Romans 9:11-22


Murder, Rape and Pillage the Christian Way

There are a lot of Biblical verses that make me wonder how Christians can claim that their god is a perfect, loving god. Here are just a couple of them:

Deuteronomy 2:34: ‘We took all his cities at that time, and we utterly destroyed the men, women, and little ones of every city; we left none remaining.’

Leviticus 31:17: The Hebrews were instructed to kill every man, woman, and child, except for the virgin girls. Those they were allowed to keep to rape whenever they pleased. In the Bible god used the phrase, ‘you may keep them as wives’ but they were taken against their will after their parents were slaughtered. If that’s what god intended marriage to be I want no part of it.

Additionally, these verses also illustrate great hypocrisy on the part of god and his children.

What happened to the Commandment “Thou shall not kill.” Does that only apply to those that share your religious faith?

In looking at god’s instructions to the Hebrews in Biblical times, it seems that not a single Commandment was intended to apply to anyone other than the Hebrews. They were instructed to steal from the Egyptians when fleeing Egypt after the Passover. They were instructed to slaughter and completely destroy all evidence of the neighboring nations and their religions. Is god so insecure that he has to kill everyone who doesn’t believe in him? I just don’t get it. How can anyone claim that this is the only true god?
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Jesus tells us to Love God with all our being and to love our neighbors as ourself. We need to be Christ like. I'll be the first to admit that not all believers live this. Jesus showed compassion, love, longsuffering; He died for us. He also told people to repent, give up their old ways, and follow Him.
I don't judge or condemn you, but I do tell you that following Jesus is great. Take it how you want. I consider children in the womb my neighbor. Most of the opponents, in DC, are women. So, men are still telling women what to do with their bodies. If you want to kill your baby, then so be it. There are many physical, emotional, and mental side effects from abortions that are not mentioned. Just ask around.

I would help anyone with their problems; matter of fact, I do. I mean it, I would. I don't want anyone to go to hell. Its not a place designed for us, only renegade angels. I do this b/c I believe the Bibel, not b/c I want to control you. I don't know you at all.

I think more Christians need to let the world know them (Christians) by their love. We need to do more. To expect believers to keep their faith to themself would hurt the community. Many organizations that help the poor and broken, are operated by Christians. They do this with no earthly gain.

"We do not battle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places."-Eph. 6:12. This tells me that I am not to fight you, but causes that will destroy us all.

Feel the Love!


If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. -Luke 14:26

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.- Matthew 10:21


And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.- Matthew 19:29
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The ancient Greeks used to say, "You shall know a man by the friends that he keeps." Given the nature of their friends and advisers, what are we to conclude about the Republican party:
Stop the madness before us it stops!
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:36 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Feel the Love!


If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. -Luke 14:26

And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.- Matthew 10:21


And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.- Matthew 19:29
Jesus spoke in metaphor. He does this alot. Greek is a language that has many meanings fora single word. For example the word love can mean erotic, friendship, unconditional, familial, and probably more. Jesus meant that we must put God first in front of our own lives, our family member, and so on. This is a faith/trust issue. He will bless a person greatly if we focus on Him.

This is in the last days. People will become so corrupt that they will offer up their own family members b/c of their belief in God. This already happens in Europe, Asia, and South America. It has been happening in Asia minor for 2000 years. It will happen soon in the U.S.

Again, Jesus spoke in metaphor. He doesn't want us to live like peasants or bums. We're not trying to achieve anything, other than show our faith in Him. He does want us to put our main focus on Him. Ephesians 5 tells a husband to love his wife as himself and to die to himself for her. To me, this means that I must put my wife above all things. This is the will of God, so I am putting Him first.

Christianity is completely based on trust. We must have faith in something we can't see. We must love our enemies. We must provide for those who need it, all the time. I think God doesn't want us to necessarily understand everything, but just have faith. It sounds nuts, I know. But there is a peace when you surrender your life to Him. I have something to fall back on.

I hope this helps. I don't judge anyone, nor do I look down at anyone. We were all born sinners, we all-believers included-sin, and will continue to sin.
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This is in the last days. People will become so corrupt that they will offer up their own family members b/c of their belief in God. This already happens in Europe, Asia, and South America. It has been happening in Asia minor for 2000 years. It will happen soon in the U.S.
People have been thinking like this for hundreds of years.

Many thought WWI was it. Nope.

Many thought WWII was it. Nope again.
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