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Old 07-03-2008, 02:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Correct.

Do you have a better explanation?
Lots of them... It's called reality and reason. Those two will trump faith every time.
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:53 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It also does not mean I fail to arrive at the correct conclusions. It actually makes no statement at all about my ability to do so. Way to obfuscate.
Exactly.

So why did you raise the point??
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There is no question that religious adherents have committed all kinds of sins and atrocities.

But you are overlooking all of the good things people of faith have done for centuries, and all of the assurance and inner peace their belief has enabled.

Atheism doesn't offer anything positive, it's just a basis to criticise others and be negative.
Atheism offers many more positives than do any religions. It offers truth, happiness and respect for your fellow man as an equal. It offers tolerance and a world based on reason, not on faith.
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That's the problem with most arguments made by the religious, they require that you subscribe to that religion for them to make sense. The TRUTH requires no preconcieved notions.

But the truth about abstract concepts, like science, creation, nature, life - always requires faith.
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Lots of them... It's called reality and reason. Those two will trump faith every time.
Explain how a baby is created or how a flower blooms using reality and reason.
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Exactly.

So why did you raise the point??
Actually you did, by bringing up the movie Zeitgeist, when I had not. This thread has nothing to do with that film. You brought it up because you assumed all my beliefs were centered on that film. You were trying to make me look like a ditto head, but it won't work sir, because I am educated and more intelligent than you give me credit for. Your desire to side step the discussion at hand is a ploy that is easily seen through.
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Atheism offers many more positives than do any religions. It offers truth, happiness and respect for your fellow man as an equal. It offers tolerance and a world based on reason, not on faith.
Most religions offer truth, happiness and respect for fellow men.

On what basis does atheism offer these things?

Let's face it, atheism is really just angry ex-christians!
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But the truth about abstract concepts, like science, creation, nature, life - always requires faith.
Only for those ignorant of the facts.
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Explain how a baby is created or how a flower blooms using reality and reason.
Childbirth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Explain how a baby is created or how a flower blooms using reality and reason.
Those are scientifically documented processes. We know EXACTLY how those things work.
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