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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 07-08-2008, 04:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation

Observation?? WTF????????????
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You're begging the question. It's fallacious to assume something needed to be created in the first place as evidence of creation. Things that small pop in an out of existence all the time and it's meaningless to demand who is doing it behind the scenes.

Oh I see


It's even fallacious to think of the big bang as emanating from a single point in time let alone space as Hawking and others propose. It's kind of hard to grasp a multi-dimensional event when you're only thinking in two, Gary.

Of course

Secondly it's interesting that you would investigate something no further than the first couple of sentences of a wikipedia article.

Even when the veracity of the rest of the article hangs on the first couple of sentences?


Then have the audacity to dismiss it in favor of your fairy tales.
You prefer your fairy tales to mine?
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You prefer your fairy tales to mine?
If your definition of fairy tale entails evidence and reaching conclusions via the scientific method, then yes. If you think that the creation stories of the Bible written by ignorant Medieval clerics who thought sick children were possessed by demons are on an equal footing with modern scientific theories then you're only confirming your ignorance and my assumptions that you know absolutely nothing about the Big Bang or even how science operates.
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If your definition of fairy tale entails evidence and reaching conclusions via the scientific method, then yes. If you think that the creation stories of the Bible written by ignorant Medieval clerics who thought sick children were possessed by demons are on an equal footing with modern scientific theories then you're only confirming your ignorance and my assumptions that you know absolutely nothing about the Big Bang or even how science operates.
Science is man's attempt to explain God's genius.
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Science is man's attempt to explain God's genius.
You've already confirmed your ignorance, no need to reiterate.
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You've already confirmed your ignorance, no need to reiterate.
Or do you still prefer to think it all 'just happened'?

How did that 'initial condition' come about?
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The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation

Observation?? WTF????????????
Yes observation... the process of looking at things over a period of time...

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I'd be interested to hear that too!

Hitchen's pompous, over-effected British accent doesn't mask the fact that he's a hateful, anti-Christian pseudo-intellectual with a sad, ongoing history of alcohol abuse.
Even assuming it were true (I don't know), what would his alcohol abuse have to do with anything?
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The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation. The essential idea is that the universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past and continues to expand to this day.

But who created the 'primordial hot and dense initial condition'??
1) Why does it have to be a who? It's much more likely a what...

2) Science admits not knowing, unlike religion, which prefers to just make shit up.
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The theory is absurd. First question (that in no way could ever be answered) How does nothing become something? It defies EVERYTHING we know. It defies the most basic principles of Math, and Science.
No one is proposing the idea that nothing became something. We have proven that matter and energy can be neither destroyed or created, they can only change states. The big bag theory postulates that everything became everything, but in a different configuration.
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