Originally Posted by hevusa

What, exactly, is the list saying to you? Spell it out for me.

Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Dear Alias,

I have no problem with your antagonism against Islam. It's fair enough to have such opinions. Especially based on the terrific examples of devout muslims you hear about daily on the news. You know.. the ones who blow themselves and other innocent peopl to smithereens.

However i don't think that the list of nobel prize winners is a fair measuring stick. Here's why:

Most Muslim countries are 3rd world countries. They have a very low literacy rate. As a result very few capable muslims get the opportunity to achieve such heights. The jewsish community is however a very well organized community and it speaks to their credit. Because of a solid internal structure, mst jews have better opportunities to make it big in the fields of commerce and academics.

While the jewish people clearly have better structure and organization, that is not what we are discussing here. We are discussing which religion has the sounder theological base. Just as the actions of 15th european priests are not representative of the core message of christianity, then neither are the actions of the fundo muslims representative of Islam

Islam allows for the same sort of organization as judaism does. DOn't forget that as muslims we believe that moses was the prophet of god and that jews are people of the book. Jews are B.C ( Before CHrist) Muslims and christians are B.M Muslims ( Before Mohammad). Therefore nothing in the Quran contradicts the Tora. It only expands upon it.

Islam encompasses judaism and goes beyond it in detail. How is that?

Judaism is more exclusive than Islam. According to my understanding, a bloodline is required to be a jew. Islam on the other hand allows free conversion with no conditions. Judaism is for the people of abraham. Islam is for anybody. This openness is where islam goes beyond judaism.

You see dear friend, the reason i believe Islam will be the final result, is not because anybody is wrong or damned or anything of the sort. Islam is just the more friendly religion to all humanity. There is no distinction in islam between humans. Nobody can be excommunicated from islam, no human party can decide whether a person is going to heaven or hell, and nobody sits as an intermediary between man and god ( like the jewish rabbis and the christian priests). Islam has no concept of clergy. The imams toting their beards and guns are self installed and there on the threat of violence. Not because Islam commands it.

Islam will take over because it is the most humane and forgiving of religions. Not because muslims are smarter stronger braver or anything primitive like that. The spread will be due to the strength of the mesage. Not the strength of the followers.

Anyhow i tend to wander when writing about Islam. That is why i requested you to be more specific in your critiques. That way i have set points to deal with.

Originally Posted by alias

Okay. Let's take it one step at a time. Why are muslim countries third world countries with a low literacy rate?

Originally Posted by hevusa

Good comeback.

I guess they just picked a random Jewish person regardless if they deserved to win or not

Originally Posted by alias

Okay. Let's take it one step at a time. Why are muslim countries third world countries with a low literacy rate?

Originally Posted by Dylan

"Guns, Germs, and Steel."

Read it, dude.

Originally Posted by thenewnoise

Probably because the western world has a long history of abusing other parts of the world, exploiting them for profit, and causing generations of poverty and disadvantage.

Originally Posted by alias

I disagree. The muslims are not short on cash. In my opinion, Muslims have done far more damage to each other and continue to do so than any other nation, religion, or race has done to them. There is no shortage of cash among the muslims.

Originally Posted by Dylan

Which Muslims are we talking about? They're a pretty diverse group. On one end, there's the guy who lives down the street from me who manages the local HSBC bank. On another end, there's some Saudi oil millionaire. In yet another direction, there's a goat herder in the boonies of Afganistan.

It's not like "the Muslims" have some sort of shared back account. They are individuals, and statistically, the majority are poor because the majority live in third world countries.

Originally Posted by alias

Why do you think the vast majority of people who are muslims live in third world countries?