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| Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics? |
| View Poll Results: Can you be liberal and religous? | |||
| Yes, you can be liberal and religious at the same time | | 7 | 63.64% |
| No, it is not possible to be progressive and religious | | 4 | 36.36% |
| No opinion | | 0 | 0% |
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| Can you be a religious liberal? Religious Liberals Gain New Visibility A Different List Of Moral Issues By Caryle Murphy and Alan Cooperman Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, May 20, 2006; A01 The religious left is back. Long overshadowed by the Christian right, religious liberals across a wide swath of denominations are engaged today in their most intensive bout of political organizing and alliance-building since the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements of the 1960s, according to scholars, politicians and clergy members. In large part, the revival of the religious left is a reaction against conservatives' success in the 2004 elections in equating moral values with opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. Religious liberals say their faith compels them to emphasize such issues as poverty, affordable health care and global warming. Disillusionment with the war in Iraq and opposition to Bush administration policies on secret prisons and torture have also fueled the movement. "The wind is changing. Folks -- not just leaders -- are fed up with what is being portrayed as Christian values," said the Rev. Tim Ahrens, senior minister of First Congregational Church of Columbus, Ohio, and a founder of We Believe Ohio, a statewide clergy group established to ensure that the religious right is "not the only one holding a megaphone" in the public square. "As religious people we're offended by the idea that if you're not with the religious right, you're not moral, you're not religious," said Linda Gustitus, who attends Bethesda's River Road Unitarian Church and is a founder of the new Washington Region Religious Campaign Against Torture. "I mean there's a whole universe out there [with views] different from the religious right. . . . People closer to the middle of the political spectrum who are religious want their voices heard." Recently, there has been an increase in books and Web sites by religious liberals, national and regional conferences, church-based discussion groups, and new faith-oriented political organizations. "Organizationally speaking, strategically speaking, the religious left is now in the strongest position it's been in since the Vietnam era," said Clemson University political scientist Laura R. Olson. What is not clear, according to sociologists and pollsters, is whether the religious left is growing in size as well as activism. Its political impact, including its ability to influence voters and move a legislative agenda, has also yet to be determined. "I do think the religious left has become more visible and assertive and is attempting to get more organized," said Allen D. Hertzke, a University of Oklahoma political science professor who follows religious movements. "But how big is it? The jury is still out on that." "My gut tells me that all this foment [on the religious left] is bound to create more involvement in politics," he said. "I don't know whether there's going to be more of them numerically, but you don't need greater numbers to have a political impact; all you need is to be more active. You already see that in Ohio and some other states, where Christian conservatives no longer have a monopoly on faith in politics." Conservative Christian activist Gary L. Bauer said the religious left "is getting more media attention" but "it's not clear" that it is getting more organized. "My reaction is 'Come on in, the water's fine' . . . but I think that when you look at frequent church attenders in America, they tend to be pro-life and support marriage as one man and one woman, and so I think the religious left is going to have a hard time making any significant progress" with those voters, he said. The quickening pulse of the religious left is evident in myriad ways: · More than a dozen books have been published in the past year decrying the religious right's influence in politics. Three have been particularly influential in galvanizing activists: Michael Lerner's "The Left Hand of God: Taking Back Our Country From the Religious Right," Jim Wallis's "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It," and Jimmy Carter's "Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis." · The recently formed Network of Spiritual Progressives is holding a four-day conference that began Wednesday at All Souls Church in Northwest Washington. A thousand participants from 39 states are discussing a new "Spiritual Covenant for America" and spent Thursday visiting their members of Congress. Lerner, the California-based rabbi who founded the network, said the conference is partly aimed at countering an aversion to religion among secular liberals and "the liberal culture" of the Democratic Party. "I can guarantee you that every Democrat running for office in 2006 and 2008 will be quoting the Bible and talking about their most recent experience in church," he said. · The Democratic Faith Working Group, made up of 30 members of the House and scores of aides, has begun meeting monthly on Capitol Hill to discuss faith and politics, opening each session with a prayer. Its purpose is to "work with our fellow Democrats and get them comfortable with faith issues," said its chairman, Rep. James E. Clyburn (D-S.C.), a preacher's son who was raised in the fundamentalist Church of God. · Organizations and Web sites that meld religion and liberal politics have mushroomed since the 2004 elections, said Clinton White House chief of staff John D. Podesta. The think tank he heads, the Center for American Progress, has helped form alliances between some of these new groups -- such as Faith in Public Life, the Catholic Alliance for the Common Good and FaithfulAmerica.org -- and long-standing organizations, such as the National Council of Churches. For most of the 20th century -- from the Progressive era through the civil rights movement -- religious involvement in American politics was dominated by the left. That changed in the 1970s, after the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision on abortion rights, the formation of the Rev. Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority, and, on the left, "the rise of a secular, liberal, urban elite that was not particularly comfortable with religion," said Will Marshall III, president of the Progressive Policy Institute, a Washington think tank. According to John C. Green, an expert on religion and politics at the University of Akron, and others, the religious left cuts across almost all denominations, drawing in black churches, liberal Roman Catholics and mainline Protestants as well as Jews, Buddhists, Muslims and people who say they are "spiritual" but not affiliated with an organized faith. It also includes some theologically traditionalist Christians. Janel Bakker, 28, a graduate student at Catholic University who attends Washington Community Fellowship on Capitol Hill, an evangelical church affiliated with the Mennonite denomination, said she grew up in a "relatively conservative religious home" where "the big issue was considered to be abortion." But Bakker, who has attended several rallies against the Iraq war, said she now regards poverty, peace and the environment as important spiritual issues ignored by the religious right. "The religious right has assumed that capitalism is the way to go and is the most moral way to organize society," Bakker added. "Young people are questioning that." Liberal evangelicals are " leaping out of the closet and they are saying 'Enough is enough,' " said Jack Pannell, spokesman for Sojourners, a Washington-based evangelical social justice ministry. "Evangelical Christians are not all white people living in the suburbs and only concerned with abortion and same-sex marriage." Some groups on the religious left are clearly seeking to help the Democratic Party. But the relationship is delicate on both sides. "If I were the Democrats, the last thing I would do is really try to mobilize these folks as a political force . . . because I think some of this is a real unhappiness with the whole business of politicizing religion," said Mark Silk, director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn. The Rev. Joseph W. Daniels Jr., senior pastor of Emory United Methodist Church in Northwest Washington, said a key question for him is whether the religious left will become "the polar opposite to . . . the religious right" or be "a voice in the middle." "What this country needs is strong spiritual leadership that is willing to build bridges. We don't need leaders who are lightning bolts for division and dissension," he said. Nonetheless, some observers doubt that the revitalization of the religious left will lessen the divisions over religion in politics. "I do think," said Hertzke, "that, if in fact this progressive initiative takes off, we will see an even more polarized electoral environment than we did in 2004." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051901813.html --- help me Instant Runoff Voting, you're my only hope --- There is little doubt that the world in general is more liberal than it was 50 years ago and beyond. 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| Yes, Jesus is a Liberal! Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God. (WEB) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God. (ASV) Happy are the peacemakers: for they will be named sons of God. (BBE) Blessed the peace-makers, for they shall be called sons of God. (DBY) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (KJV) Blessed are the peace-makers: for they shall be called children of God. (WBS) "Blessed are the peacemakers, for it is they who will be recognized as sons of God. (WEY) Happy the peacemakers -- because they shall be called Sons of God. (YLT) We are one! http://www.experiencefestival.com/community/index.php http://www.experiencefestival.com/gl...ness_community Interest in Buddhism is growing steadily worldwide, especially from people seeking answers in this current global age of clashing ideologies, fanatical strife and senseless violence. Why is this interest now growing so quickly, especially in the West? Perhaps it is because more and more people are now recognizing these facts about Buddhism : A religion of true peace that has never advocated any violence in its name. A religion that emphasizes compassion, tolerance and moderation. A religion that provides a clear path for spiritual and personal development. A religion that teaches us to take full responsibility for all of our actions. A religion that has no room for blind faith or unthinking worship. A religion that welcomes questions and investigations into its own teachings. A religion that says sincere followers of other beliefs are also rewarded in the afterlife. A religion that is very much in harmony with modern science. Jesus is a Buddist. --------------------------- "Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity" ---Albert Einstein ![]() Last edited by intangible child; 05-21-2006 at 11:14 AM. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| Jesus was a conservative. He taught on stewardship and money more than anything else. He told the lady caught in adultery to sin no more. That is conservative. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Yeah. Because everybody KNOWS that "adultery" is a liberal ideal... ROFLMAO! And "stewardship"? "Conservatives" are typically the ones screaming and yelling that they don't want their money, the money of the rich, going to anybody but themselves. They kick up a fuss regarding "liberal" social programs that help people that are down. And Jesus taught on "money"? What precisely did he preach about money? Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Can somebody explain to me how this bible verse exists, yet the religious right lie in the party WITH THE RICH??? And another bible verse on money... 1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. "(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish." -- Jon Stewart "Please don't judge others by your own standards." -- Garysher | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Matthew 20:1-16 and Matthew 25:14-30 Do you even know the meaning of stewardship? Doesn't sound like it. Maybe you could look it up in a dictionary. On second thought, forget it. Your dictionary has changed the meanings. I see your comprehension problem is kicking in again. Man are you ignorant. That verse in Timothy says the root of all evil is the LOVE of money. Jesus told people not to love money but how to use it. You really are quite ignorant, ignorant, and ignorant. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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| foundit, Interestingly enough, I believe you OMITTED the second part of that conversation, am I wrong? If I recall correctly, it talks about how hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God, hard as a camel through the eye of a needle, but then Christ says, "But with God all things are possible." Why did you leave out that second part? The man who gave Christ his grave to be buried in was a wealthy man. Do you think he won't get into Paradise? | |||||||||||||||||||||
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