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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 10-30-2006, 09:20 PM   #91 (permalink)
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It's a part of the ESTABLISHMENT clause.
This has been explained to you REPEATEDLY.

The government cannot endorse a religion, ANY religion, by a governmental official, such as a high school coach getting paid by the state, leading a team in religious prayer.

Your refusal to understand that is not an argument.
Your insistence in saying things haven't been shown to you, when they have been explained and shown to you, is not an argument.
Insisting on a verbatim statement being in the constitution, and demonstrating an abject refusal to actually INTERPRET is not an argument.
I applaud your consistent efforts, foundit, however futile they may be.

Alias doesn't understand the elastic language of the Constitution. He has to have every single little example of what the government cannot do spelled out literally for him for any of this to get through his thick plebeian skull. I hate to be this rude to him but it's getting very annoying.
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Old 10-31-2006, 01:44 AM   #92 (permalink)
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I for one am glad to hear this! This is such a step in the right direction. It is a very positive sign when even a place like West Virginia begins to respect people's civil liberties. It brings me hope that maybe the dream that America once was has not been lost. Now if we could get Jesus out of the white house we'd be make some REAL progress.
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:48 AM   #93 (permalink)
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I think the bottom line should be, if you want your child to pray in school send them to a Catholic or other religious based school. Public schools should respect all religions and non-religions. In order to do this, they must be totally unbias, and this includes not saying a Christian prayer.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:18 AM   #94 (permalink)
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I think any that get offended by simply looking at a picture of Christ is a fool. But I really dont care at this point, you all can have this world. I will stand in the way of sinners no more, and just await his blessed coming.
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I think any that get offended by simply looking at a picture of Christ is a fool. But I really dont care at this point, you all can have this world. I will stand in the way of sinners no more, and just await his blessed coming.
Thank You! That's really all we ask. By all means, keep practicing your religion, but keep it to yourself! Just think of how much better the world will be if we can get everyone to be as open minded as you. I keep my religion to myself, It's not very hard.

However, it's not a matter of being offended by the picture, it is the appearance it lends to the school. If we put up Christ we have to also put up Allah, and Moses and Buddah, and several thousand hindu gods, and Joe Pesci, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster... The schools walss would be very cluttered and not terribly conducive to learning. It's easier to just remove the Jesus.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:34 AM   #96 (permalink)
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Thank You! That's really all we ask. By all means, keep practicing your religion, but keep it to yourself! Just think of how much better the world will be if we can get everyone to be as open minded as you. I keep my religion to myself, It's not very hard.

However, it's not a matter of being offended by the picture, it is the appearance it lends to the school. If we put up Christ we have to also put up Allah, and Moses and Buddah, and several thousand hindu gods, and Joe Pesci, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster... The schools walss would be very cluttered and not terribly conducive to learning. It's easier to just remove the Jesus.
Hear Hear. I can't help but wonder how Christians would react to a Wiccan pentagram next to the cross in the class room.
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I applaud your consistent efforts, foundit, however futile they may be.

Alias doesn't understand the elastic language of the Constitution. He has to have every single little example of what the government cannot do spelled out literally for him for any of this to get through his thick plebeian skull. I hate to be this rude to him but it's getting very annoying.
I understand the constitution. The only "elastic" is the elastic in the minds of those who wish to take the clause and make it say something it doesn't. The constitution is not a "living" document like you liberals keep saying. It says what it means and means what it says. Simple. It takes a communist liberal ACLU idiot to weave what they say it says.
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Alias doesn't understand the elastic language of the Constitution. He has to have every single little example of what the government cannot do spelled out literally for him for any of this to get through his thick plebeian skull. I hate to be this rude to him but it's getting very annoying.
Wrong.
Again.

What YOU don't understand is that you are openly admitting that YOU want to basically re-write the Constitution to fit your personal agenda. And if you can't re-write the Constitution, you want lunatic judges that will do it for you.

Elastic Language, my butt.
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I understand the constitution. The only "elastic" is the elastic in the minds of those who wish to take the clause and make it say something it doesn't.
No. You don't understand the constitution alias. You show this REPEATEDLY in both your arguments here, your questions, and also your questions/statements regarding wire-tapping and warrants.

You don't understand.

You try to claim that the "establishment" clause just prevents the government from setting up a state religion.
That's not what it says, and you inappropriately limit the scope of the statement.

The first amendment talks about the government and the "establishment of religion". That includes endorsing religion via government actions.


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The constitution is not a "living" document like you liberals keep saying. It says what it means and means what it says. Simple. It takes a communist liberal ACLU idiot to weave what they say it says.
Funny how you claim this, yet it's how the constitution is ACTUALLY INTERPRETED today.
Have communist liberals just taken over the ENTIRE judiciary?

Or is it more the truth that religious zealotry is trying to place religious icons on property that they don't own, and getting pissy when they are told no...
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Hear Hear. I can't help but wonder how Christians would react to a Wiccan pentagram next to the cross in the class room.
They'd likely raise quite the fuss.
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