So you are saying it would be ok for Wiccan witches, in the class room, to say a prayer also? I'm sure you would be ok with a pentagram next to that picture of Jesus. If this does offend you than why would it be so strange for the the picture of Jesus to offend others? Sounds to me like you are offended by other people's beliefs(the ACLU's for one).

Not to mention the fact that you have modified your own religion to make it ok to judge others.

No. I'm talking how MOST judges have interpreted it over decades.

Excluding, of course, those rare judges that wish to cater to the religious right fringe.


Does common sense ever hit you?
If "a lot of judges" think like you do, then why does the system work differently?
You can't just pretend that those nasty 'liberals' control everything, despite what "a lot" of judges say differently.
It just makes no sense.


"don't have an agenda"???
ROFLMAO!

You think that YOU, and the things you espouse, are not an "agenda"???
That's hilarious!

Hogwash! How's this for inherent disregard for freedom of expression:
See also O.T., et al. v. Frenchtown Elementary School, et al. :: ACLU of New Jersey for a link to the PDF file of the legal brief.

Then why do schools take a winter break?

Great. Let's see more of the ACLU do this and stop the bullshit.

Hey. You know that they take an even longer break during the summer.

That must mean that they are paying their respect to the Sun God of Egyptian mythology, right?


You are absolutely clueless when it comes to what the ACLU is doing.
You don't agree with them, so you lay in with the stupid insults of "communist" and "liberal" and "activist", etc, etc, etc...

You don't give a rat's ass about a more balanced perspective which sees a place of religion being OUTSIDE the governmental endorsement.
Why do you need governmental endorsement of your religion so much anyways?

You have the right to have a parent lead a prayer in the stands at a football game, but you don't do that do you.
You want the COACH to do it, because the truth of the matter is that people like you DO NOT DO IT ON YOUR OWN anyways.
You want your KIDS to be lead in the prayer that you don't do yourself.

Boggles my mind that you don't get a bigger picture out of all this...

You know, I dont care if the school decided to put up some wiccan art. Or muslim, jewish whatever. I do not see how it would or should offend anyone. That particular ACLU suit is the exception to the rule here, dont try and push them off as a defender of freedom of expression.

This school decided (30 years ago) to put up a picture of Jesus. I see nothing wrong with that, at all. Do not see what the big problem with it is. If your not Christian ask the school to put up imagery of your own faith. Im sure they would see no problem with it.

Sorry, but they are.
Just because they don't support every form of expression you think they should doesn't mean they aren't defending our civil liberties.


Yeah. The people who insist that this is a "Christian" nation won't have a problem with it.

The religious right which brought you the following statements are going to be open-minded and fair in their dealings, just like they are with the gays and the atheists and a variety of other groups over the decades...

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."
-- Ralph Reed, Los Angeles Times, March 22, 1992, admitting that he wants to deceive us regarding his true aims

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-- Randall Terry, quoted in The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, August 16, 1993

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."
-- Pat Buchanan, campaign address at an anti-gay rally in Des Moines, Iowa, February 11, 1996

"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."
--Jay Grimstead, February 1987

"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."
--Rev. Joseph Morecraft,Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, Marietta, Georgia, quoted in "the Public Eye," June 1994

" We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."
-- Gary Bauer, (source unknown)

"We are approaching a time when Christians, especially, may have to declare the social contract between Enlightenment rationalists and Biblical believers - which formed the basis of the constitution written at our nation's founding - null and void."
--Cal Thomas, conservative commentator; Washington Times, 1996-OCT-23

"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and holy communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."
-- Gary North - Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism, Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989, p. 87

"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."
--Gary Potter, president of Catholics for Christian Political Action

"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."
--D. James Kennedy, "Education: Public Problems and Private Solutions," Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993

"...Christian values should dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the Bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office. "
--Beverly LaHaye Mainstream Loudoun - A Voice for Moderation

"The [Supreme} Court by seeking to equate Christianity with other religions merely assaults the one faith. The Court in essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian religion."
John Whitehead, founder & president of the Rutherford Institute, The Separation Illusion
Bozo Speak in Black

But please. Don't take my word for it.

I realize that you, Satv, have expressed your opinion for equality, allowing religious expression in the government for any religion that wishes to express it.

How about the rest?
Alias?
Jefferson?

Say you were allowed your cross on governmental property. Your ten commandments monument. Your coach leading prayer on the football field.

Would you also allow a Wiccan symbol right next to that cross / monument?
Would you also allow a Muslim prayer to be lead by the coach?

How's your "equality" and "tolerance"?