Jesus: Last of the Great Pharoahs - Page 2

alias · 07-19-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Completely factually wrong. I can't believe how irresponsible this post was. Global warming is proven scientific fact, and there is an overall scientific consensus that human activity is causing its rapid excelleration. The Kyoto Protocol would help in that regard, to reducing emissions which are killing our planet and future generations. Not to mention there is a lot of money to be made in the market of alternative clean fuels and energy.

This entire article was written by an obviously conservative individual who claims to know everything about liberalism. Its only intent was to bash liberalism in a collection of hasty generalizations and factually incorrect plebeian verbiage. I fail to see how that article in any way is productive to the attempts at a political and intelligent discourse.

No surprise here folks. Katsinski can't counter any of the points so he has to say a little bit about global warming being a scientific fact when there are many many climatologists who disagree with that "fact".

Then without a counterpoint, he says these are just "hasty generalizations" and still says nothing to counter any point in the post.

Nice job Katsinsky. I'm real proud of you. Keep trying. I'm having a very fun day.

alias · 07-19-2006, 02:49 PM

What is this thread supposed to be about?

Tabris · 07-19-2006, 03:24 PM

Global warming is proven, scientific fact. The issue is not whether it's warming, but whether it's all humanity's fault. 30 years ago, we were heading for an ice age. I'm pretty sure humans couldn't reverse an ice-age in 30 years. Nevermind that the sun itself is warming up as well. That couldn't have anything to do with it.

alias · 07-19-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabris

Global warming is proven, scientific fact. The issue is not whether it's warming, but whether it's all humanity's fault. 30 years ago, we were heading for an ice age. I'm pretty sure humans couldn't reverse an ice-age in 30 years. Nevermind that the sun itself is warming up as well. That couldn't have anything to do with it.

I agree. The earth has been heating and cooling for millions of years. That is a FACT.

intangible child · 07-19-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

How convenient that you left out what your buddies also said. Talk about a tin foil hat. Your's is really tight.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

I don't see any quotes from the party I support!

Declaring and Waging War: The U.S. Constitution

Excuse me for asking an indelicate question in the midst of war, but where does President Bush derive the power to send the United States into war against another nation? The question becomes increasingly important given that the president has indicated that once the Afghan War has been brought to a conclusion, he intends to use U.S. military forces to attack other sovereign nations.

It is important to keep in mind that our system of government was designed to be unlike any other in history. First, the federal government was brought into existence by the people through our Constitution. Second, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land that controls the actions of our public officials in all three branches of the federal government. Third, the powers of the federal government and its officials are not general but instead are limited to those enumerated in the Constitution.

Fourth, the government is divided into three branches, each with its own enumerated powers, and one branch cannot exercise the powers of another branch. Fifth, the Constitution expressly constrains democratic, majority rule. Sixth, public officials are not legally permitted to ignore any constitutional constraint on their power but must instead seek a constitutional amendment from the people to eliminate the constraint.

Why did the Founders implement such a weak, divided government? One big reason: they clearly understood that historically the greatest threat to the freedom and well-being of a people comes not from foreign enemies but instead from their own government officials, even democratically elected ones. And they understood that that threat to the citizenry was always greatest during war.

Consider the words of James Madison, the father of our Constitution: “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

What does our Constitution say about war? Our Founders divided war into two separate powers: Congress was given the power to declare war and the president was given the power to wage war. What that means is that under our system of government, the president cannot legally wage war against another nation in the absence of a declaration of war against that nation from Congress.

Again, reflect on the words of Madison: “The Constitution expressly and exclusively vests in the Legislature the power of declaring a state of war [and] the power of raising armies. A delegation of such powers [to the president] would have struck, not only at the fabric of our Constitution, but at the foundation of all well organized and well checked governments. The separation of the power of declaring war from that of conducting it, is wisely contrived to exclude the danger of its being declared for the sake of its being conducted.”

Therefore, under our system of government although the president is personally convinced that war against a certain nation is just and morally right, he is nevertheless prohibited by our supreme law of the land from waging it unless he first secures a declaration of war from Congress. That was precisely why presidents Wilson and Roosevelt, who both believed that U.S. intervention in World Wars I and II was right and just, nevertheless had to wait for a congressional declaration of war before entering the conflict. And the fact that later presidents have violated the declaration-of-war requirement does not operate as a grant of power for other presidents to do the same.

Mr. Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation in Fairfax, Va.
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0204a.asp

alias · 07-19-2006, 06:14 PM

Well gee pa, I dunno bout dat one. Ah, mebbe it hapnd whilst you wasa takn' a nap.

10/11/02
Congress passes Iraq defense resolution
Bipartisan agreement grants President Bush war-making powers

By By Tom Raum (Associated Press)
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Sen. John McCain, R.-Ariz., speaks on the floor of the U.S. Senate Thursday. Congress later approved a resolution to give the president authority to use force against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
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WASHINGTON - Congress voted solidly to give President Bush the broad authority he sought to use U.S. military force to confront Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, handing him a crucial national-security policy victory.

The Democratic-led Senate approved the war resolution 77-23 early Friday, wrapping up an often contentious week-long debate. The House voted for the resolution on Thursday, 296-133.

Because the Senate approved the House-passed measure without changing a word, it now goes directly to Bush for his signature.

http://tinyurl.com/hrk4y

intangible child · 07-19-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Well gee pa, I dunno bout dat one. Ah, mebbe it hapnd whilst you wasa takn' a nap.

10/11/02
Congress passes Iraq defense resolution
Bipartisan agreement grants President Bush war-making powers

By By Tom Raum (Associated Press)
PrintEmail Article Tools Page 1 of 3 next >
CSPAN via Associated Press

Sen. John McCain, R.-Ariz., speaks on the floor of the U.S. Senate Thursday. Congress later approved a resolution to give the president authority to use force against Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

WASHINGTON - Congress voted solidly to give President Bush the broad authority he sought to use U.S. military force to confront Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, handing him a crucial national-security policy victory.

The Democratic-led Senate approved the war resolution 77-23 early Friday, wrapping up an often contentious week-long debate. The House voted for the resolution on Thursday, 296-133.

Because the Senate approved the House-passed measure without changing a word, it now goes directly to Bush for his signature.

http://tinyurl.com/hrk4y

Congress gave no declaration of war!

Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010920-8.html

Dead out lie! President Delivers "State of the Union" (2003)
The U.S. Capitol
Twelve years ago, Saddam Hussein faced the prospect of being the last casualty in a war he had started and lost. To spare himself, he agreed to disarm of all weapons of mass destruction. For the next 12 years, he systematically violated that agreement. He pursued chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, even while inspectors were in his country. Nothing to date has restrained him from his pursuit of these weapons -- not economic sanctions, not isolation from the civilized world, not even cruise missile strikes on his military facilities.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...030128-19.html

Bush Flatly Declares No Connection Between Saddam and al Qaeda
from the press conference, 31 Jan 2003
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/no-saddam-qaeda.htm

Since you fell for Bush's lies I figured you'd fall for anything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXnO_...og_post%2F3597