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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 08-09-2006, 02:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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You say he is a pervert for having sex with children of the same gender as he is. I say he is a pervert for having sex with children. This topic is related to gay rights and gay marriage only as much as heterosexual pedophilia is related to straight rights and straight marriage. In either case, the pedophilia is the problematic part.

Since pedophilia cases appear all the time, I find the interesting part of this case to be that this man is trying to justify his crime by claiming that it is part of his religion. The debate could then commence about whether the guarantee of freedom of religion allows him to do these things in his apartment.

Because of that, I would have posted it in the religion forum, but hey, it's not my thread.
Why not read a few more things into what I wrote?

The guy is a pervert.
He is a pedophile.

It is an adult male having sex with underage males. That falls first, and foremost, under the category of homosexual issues.

He also is deluded, claiming that it's a religion. Therefore, it would only be in the Religion subforum as a second venue.
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Old 08-09-2006, 03:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Why not read a few more things into what I wrote?
What did I incorrectly read?

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It is an adult male having sex with underage males. That falls first, and foremost, under the category of homosexual issues.
Does an adult male having sex with an underage female fall first and foremost under the category of heterosexual issues?

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He also is deluded, claiming that it's a religion. Therefore, it would only be in the Religion subforum as a second venue.
While the crime itself is not related to religion, I think the real debate on this issue would be a debate over religion and freedom of religion. What topic of debate do you imagine resulting from this article?
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Old 08-09-2006, 04:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Why not read a few more things into what I wrote?
The guy is a pervert.
He is a pedophile.
These things are true.


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It is an adult male having sex with underage males. That falls first, and foremost, under the category of homosexual issues.
No. It doesn't.
It no more falls under the category of "homosexual issues" than a man who has sex with a dead female colt is a "heterosexual issue".

The truth is that the vast majority of people who molest young boys ARE EXCLUSIVELY HETEROSEXUAL in their adult sexual orientation.

I repeat. The vast majority of men who molest little boys SLEEP WITH WOMEN.
To call this a "homosexual issue" is to avoid looking at all the facts.


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He also is deluded, claiming that it's a religion. Therefore, it would only be in the Religion subforum as a second venue.
It's an attempt to use religion as an excuse for child molestation.
You are attempting to use the gender of the child as an excuse for discussing a CHILD MOLESTATION issue as a gay issue.

There is some irony in the way both of you are twisting things...
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Old 08-09-2006, 04:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Does an adult male having sex with an underage female fall first and foremost under the category of heterosexual issues?



While the crime itself is not related to religion, I think the real debate on this issue would be a debate over religion and freedom of religion. What topic of debate do you imagine resulting from this article?

Okay. Let's call him a pedophile homosexual. Which either way you prefer is fine by me. Still the same thing.
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These things are true.



No. It doesn't.
It no more falls under the category of "homosexual issues" than a man who has sex with a dead female colt is a "heterosexual issue".

The truth is that the vast majority of people who molest young boys ARE EXCLUSIVELY HETEROSEXUAL in their adult sexual orientation.

I repeat. The vast majority of men who molest little boys SLEEP WITH WOMEN.
To call this a "homosexual issue" is to avoid looking at all the facts.



It's an attempt to use religion as an excuse for child molestation.
You are attempting to use the gender of the child as an excuse for discussing a CHILD MOLESTATION issue as a gay issue.

There is some irony in the way both of you are twisting things...
How do you know the vast majority of men who molest little boys sleep with women? I hardly think so. If a man is man enough to have sex with a woman, why in hell would he want a little boy? Doesn't make sense.
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Okay. Let's call him a pedophile homosexual. Which either way you prefer is fine by me. Still the same thing.
No, a male homosexual likes males in general, and not children. A pedophile likes children, regardless of gender. He's a pedophile. Unless he was into gay inuendo with males his age or of adult physique, he's just a pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty right? Although there's nothing really guilty about homosexuality, however there is something guilty about pedophilia.

And its not the same thing.

But again, even if you are correct and it turns out that he is also homosexual; that has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage.
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Okay. Let's call him a pedophile homosexual. Which either way you prefer is fine by me. Still the same thing.
You don't know if he's "homosexual" or not.
Nothing was said about what adults, if any, he sleeps with.


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How do you know the vast majority of men who molest little boys sleep with women?
Research proves it.


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I hardly think so.
Actually, you hardly think...


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If a man is man enough to have sex with a woman, why in hell would he want a little boy? Doesn't make sense.
Very little in this world makes sense to you as you are determined that you know everything in advance, and facts don't phase you.
How do you explain men who marry women, have kids with that woman, and then MOLEST HIS SONS???

Do you deny that this exists?

PEDOPHILIA doesn't make sense. It's about the RAPE of a child.
Don't even try to compare it to homosexuality...
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You don't know if he's "homosexual" or not.
Nothing was said about what adults, if any, he sleeps with.



Research proves it.



Actually, you hardly think...



Very little in this world makes sense to you as you are determined that you know everything in advance, and facts don't phase you.
How do you explain men who marry women, have kids with that woman, and then MOLEST HIS SONS???

Do you deny that this exists?

PEDOPHILIA doesn't make sense. It's about the RAPE of a child.
Don't even try to compare it to homosexuality...

NAMBLA members are not homosexuals? Wow, I didn't know that. Tell me another fairy tale. Get it....fairy tale. Now that's funny.
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Okay. Let's call him a pedophile homosexual. Which either way you prefer is fine by me. Still the same thing.
That's not the point. I am not trying to say that homosexuality did not occur. Others here may be making that point, but I am not.

I am saying this article does not spark a debate related to homosexuality. Everyone knows that some men molest boys, just as everyone knows that some men molest girls. It's simply not debatable.

The interesting part of this article, and the part which should spark debate, is this guy's claim that his actions should not be considered crimes because he is guaranteed religious freedom. That's a freedom of religion debate, which is why I would have chosen to put this thread in the religion forum.
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That's not the point. I am not trying to say that homosexuality did not occur. Others here may be making that point, but I am not.

I am saying this article does not spark a debate related to homosexuality. Everyone knows that some men molest boys, just as everyone knows that some men molest girls. It's simply not debatable.

The interesting part of this article, and the part which should spark debate, is this guy's claim that his actions should not be considered crimes because he is guaranteed religious freedom. That's a freedom of religion debate, which is why I would have chosen to put this thread in the religion forum.
How can you say that 2 males engaged in sex is not homosexual? It doesn't matter what age they are. It's a fact.
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