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Old 08-28-2006, 04:28 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Here is a good link. Read it. Notice it also mentions the underground railroad which was run by Christians to help slaves escape.

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Here are 2 verses from the New Testament that I think would be against slavery.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" (Matthew 22:39)

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17).
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Here are 2 verses from the New Testament that I think would be against slavery.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" (Matthew 22:39)

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17).
Neither says anything about slavery.
NOTHING.

A man can love his servant, whether he be a paid servant or a slave.
The second says absolutely nothing about the subject at hand.

You "think" would be against slavery?
Nowhere close.
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Neither says anything about slavery.
NOTHING.

A man can love his servant, whether he be a paid servant or a slave.
The second says absolutely nothing about the subject at hand.

You "think" would be against slavery?
Nowhere close.
Why of course. You're not gonna believe it because you don't want to believe it. We've been down this road before about the bible. If you lived on a farm and had slaves they would be your neighbors. The bible says to love your neighbor as yourself. If a man takes that verse to heart, how in hell is he going to keep slaves if he is to love them as himself when he isn't a slave? Tell me.
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Why of course. You're not gonna believe it because you don't want to believe it.
Alias, NEITHER of those passages mention slavery.
It is obvious that in reading those passages, that the best we could get out of them is that Christian slave owners should treat their slaves well.

But the Bible NEVER FORBIDS slavery.


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If you lived on a farm and had slaves they would be your neighbors. The bible says to love your neighbor as yourself. If a man takes that verse to heart, how in hell is he going to keep slaves if he is to love them as himself when he isn't a slave? Tell me.
The same logic could be applied to any non-slave servant.
How can a farmer get more out of his business than he pays his servants.

Why did you avoid this in your response?
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Alias, NEITHER of those passages mention slavery.
It is obvious that in reading those passages, that the best we could get out of them is that Christian slave owners should treat their slaves well.

But the Bible NEVER FORBIDS slavery.



The same logic could be applied to any non-slave servant.
How can a farmer get more out of his business than he pays his servants.

Why did you avoid this in your response?
What did you mean why did I avoid it? Avoid what? Avoid a rational explanation of the verse?

The bible NEVER FORBIDS flying an airplane, yet Christians do it every day. Are they wrong? The bible NEVER FORBIDS injecting heroin either.

The bible does say that to not do good is a sin. If you think slavery is wrong as a Christian then you should not have slaves and that is what a lot of Christians in the 1800s believed. They practiced what they preached by using the underground railroad to help numerous slaves escape.
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We have a religion that currently has a cancer in it and murdering people all over the planet in the name of Allah and all some people can do is point to something in the bible that hasn't been in practice for hundreds of years. No wonder some people say liberalism is a mental disease.
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What did you mean why did I avoid it? Avoid what? Avoid a rational explanation of the verse?
The bible NEVER FORBIDS flying an airplane, yet Christians do it every day. Are they wrong? The bible NEVER FORBIDS injecting heroin either.
Let's rejoin reality and not resort to lame word games, shall we?
The issue is that the Bible has NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF HEBREWS AND CHRISTIANS owning slaves, yet slavery is never condemned.

If a man in the bible flew a plane, and God didn't care, that would be significant.
If a man in the bible did heroin, and God didn't care, that would also be significant.

There are a variety of bible verses THAT EXPLICITLY DISCUSS slavery, and some that tell SLAVES how they should be GOOD slaves.
To touch on the subject in that way, but never condemn slavery, is rather significant.


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The bible does say that to not do good is a sin. If you think slavery is wrong as a Christian then you should not have slaves and that is what a lot of Christians in the 1800s believed. They practiced what they preached by using the underground railroad to help numerous slaves escape.
The bible passage DOES NOT SAY what "good" is.
To blindly allege that "slavery" is "not good" is something that you have derived INDEPENDENTLY from the bible. Not in the bible.

I imagine some racist bigot slave owners thought they were doing "good" for their slaves, as they kept them fed and taught them the bible. Does that make it "good" and not a "sin"?

The point is that the bible verse NEVER MENTIONS slavery, and as such, your interpretation is completely conjured.
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OK, I am officially advocating the ban of Alias for bigoted bullshit. ISLAM WASN'T EVEN MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
You might want to go back to the first page and demonstrate for all that a moderator pointed out to you that the initial post had no point to which you readily agreed. Now what were you going to ban me for?
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Let's rejoin reality and not resort to lame word games, shall we?
The issue is that the Bible has NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF HEBREWS AND CHRISTIANS owning slaves, yet slavery is never condemned.

If a man in the bible flew a plane, and God didn't care, that would be significant.
If a man in the bible did heroin, and God didn't care, that would also be significant.

There are a variety of bible verses THAT EXPLICITLY DISCUSS slavery, and some that tell SLAVES how they should be GOOD slaves.
To touch on the subject in that way, but never condemn slavery, is rather significant.



The bible passage DOES NOT SAY what "good" is.
To blindly allege that "slavery" is "not good" is something that you have derived INDEPENDENTLY from the bible. Not in the bible.

I imagine some racist bigot slave owners thought they were doing "good" for their slaves, as they kept them fed and taught them the bible. Does that make it "good" and not a "sin"?

The point is that the bible verse NEVER MENTIONS slavery, and as such, your interpretation is completely conjured.
Imagine a slave owner who takes those verses to heart and frees his slaves. It can go both ways if we both imagine. You imagine negatively and I imagine positively to what the bible says. See how bible interpretation works. You have yours and I have mine with 2 complete different interpretations. I like mine better than yours. Your point and interpretation are yours and mine are mine. In mine, the slaves are freed. In yours, the slave are not. I like my Christianity better than yours and I'm sure the slaves do also. Have a nice day and God bless.
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