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Old 08-28-2006, 10:01 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Imagine a slave owner who takes those verses to heart and frees his slaves. It can go both ways if we both imagine. You imagine negatively and I imagine positively to what the bible says.
I look at it from the HISTORICAL aspect of how it has been interpreted FOR CENTURIES.
Interpreting those passages to preclude slavery is a MODERN reinvention of those passages.

And like I pointed out, there are NUMEROUS hebrew slave-owners in the Bible which "God" never said ANYTHING regarding owning slaves to.

I've got a bigger picture perspective, while you are ignoring the rest of the bible to arrive at your "positive" conclusion.


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See how bible interpretation works. You have yours and I have mine with 2 complete different interpretations. I like mine better than yours. Your point and interpretation are yours and mine are mine. In mine, the slaves are freed. In yours, the slave are not. I like my Christianity better than yours and I'm sure the slaves do also. Have a nice day and God bless.
What a load of crap.
If you ERRONEOUSLY believe that the ONLY way the slaves would be freed is from a Christian belief perspective, and based SOLELY on what the bible says, then you would have a point.

But since history has advanced in a lot of cases because people have IGNORED what the bible says and come to their own secular conclusion, THAT is why we are where we are today.

WHY did Christianity not abolish slavery CENTURIES ago if your "interpretation" is so obvious and accurate?
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Old 08-28-2006, 10:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I look at it from the HISTORICAL aspect of how it has been interpreted FOR CENTURIES.
Interpreting those passages to preclude slavery is a MODERN reinvention of those passages.

And like I pointed out, there are NUMEROUS hebrew slave-owners in the Bible which "God" never said ANYTHING regarding owning slaves to.

I've got a bigger picture perspective, while you are ignoring the rest of the bible to arrive at your "positive" conclusion.



What a load of crap.
If you ERRONEOUSLY believe that the ONLY way the slaves would be freed is from a Christian belief perspective, and based SOLELY on what the bible says, then you would have a point.

But since history has advanced in a lot of cases because people have IGNORED what the bible says and come to their own secular conclusion, THAT is why we are where we are today.

WHY did Christianity not abolish slavery CENTURIES ago if your "interpretation" is so obvious and accurate?
I could ask you the same thing about the secularists. Why didn't the secularists abolish slavery centuries ago if YOUR interpretation is so obvious and accurate? I never said Christianity was the sole reason for the abolition of slavery. You stated it had nothing to do with it and I stated and proved it did by mentioning the underground railroad initiated by Christians and then you demanded bible verses and I gave you 2. You keep moving the goal post and moving the goal post when you get a counter point.

You stated Christians stood in the way of abolition and I pointed out that Christians used the underground railroad, thereby refuting your claim. Anything else?
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I could ask you the same thing about the secularists. Why didn't the secularists abolish slavery centuries ago if YOUR interpretation is so obvious and accurate?
Say whaaaa?
I think the best way to respond to that misalignment of thought is to ask you to show me which "secularists" advocated slavery...


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I never said Christianity was the sole reason for the abolition of slavery. You stated it had nothing to do with it and I stated and proved it did by mentioning the underground railroad initiated by Christians ...
There is a difference between ChristianITY and ChristianS.
Do you understand that?

Just because a Christian does something doesn't mean ChristianITY was behind the actions of that Christian doing that thing.

Got it?


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... and then you demanded bible verses and I gave you 2. You keep moving the goal post and moving the goal post when you get a counter point.
This is utter crap.
It's like I asked you for shinola, and you give me shit, and insist that you've given me precisely what I ask for.
Those bible verses WERE NOT about slavery.


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You stated Christians stood in the way of abolition and I pointed out that Christians used the underground railroad, thereby refuting your claim. Anything else?
Christians DID stand in the way of abolition.
Just because OTHER Christians tried to move abolition along doesn't mean that some Christians did stand in the way of abolition.

I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
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We have a religion that currently has a cancer in it and murdering people all over the planet in the name of Allah and all some people can do is point to something in the bible that hasn't been in practice for hundreds of years. No wonder some people say liberalism is a mental disease.
The hatred and murder have to stop! Agreed?

Television evangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson's suggestion that a nuclear device should be used to wipe out the State Department was "despicable," department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday.
CNN.com - Pat Robertson's 'nuke' idea draws protest - Oct. 9, 2003

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The hatred and murder have to stop! Agreed?

Television evangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson's suggestion that a nuclear device should be used to wipe out the State Department was "despicable," department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday.
CNN.com - Pat Robertson's 'nuke' idea draws protest - Oct. 9, 2003

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We have different enemies. Your enemy is America. My enemy is fascist Islam. One of us is very very confused.
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We have different enemies. Your enemy is America. My enemy is fascist Islam. One of us is very very confused.

"Islam is Peace" Says President

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

"Islam is Peace" Says President
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These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

"Islam is Peace" Says President
President Bush also said this"

President George W Bush has said a plot to bomb US-bound flights from the UK is a "stark reminder" that the US is still at war with Islamic extremists.
Mr Bush said it showed "Islamic fascists... will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom".
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President Bush also said this"

President George W Bush has said a plot to bomb US-bound flights from the UK is a "stark reminder" that the US is still at war with Islamic extremists.
Mr Bush said it showed "Islamic fascists... will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom".
"President Bush also said this"

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Freudian slip?
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"President Bush also said this"

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator" ~ George W. Bush

Freudian slip?
I saw and heard that. If you expect anyone to believe he was serious then you are really off the wall. He was joking and smirked after he said it. The man has a sense of humor.

You hate Bush more than the terrorists don't you?
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I saw and heard that. If you expect anyone to believe he was serious then you are really off the wall. He was joking and smirked after he said it. The man has a sense of humor.

You hate Bush more than the terrorists don't you?
The beast is always smirking, even when he lied (treason) to U.S. that wire tapping is good!

Bush and Cheney on 911 interviewed behind closed doors, refused to take an oath, refused to allow tape recordings and ensured no transcript be kept but they tell us (citizens) they can spy on who ever they choose. Tell Congress to do their job as they pledged to the American people and God to do! Impeach and Indict this administration for TREASON! Remember any PEOPLE are responsible for the regime they are willing to put up with!

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