Originally Posted by intangible child

The beast is always smirking, even when he lied (treason) to U.S. that wire tapping is good!

Bush and Cheney on 911 interviewed behind closed doors, refused to take an oath, refused to allow tape recordings and ensured no transcript be kept but they tell us (citizens) they can spy on who ever they choose. Tell Congress to do their job as they pledged to the American people and God to do! Impeach and Indict this administration for TREASON! Remember any PEOPLE are responsible for the regime they are willing to put up with!

Bush in 30 Seconds

Originally Posted by alias

Wire tapping to hear the enemy is good. Are you the enemy within?

Originally Posted by foundit66

Nobody is saying that wiretapping to hear the ENEMY is a bad thing.

It's wire-tapping innocent American civilians without a warrant which is the issue. And since you can't address the issue, you keep trying to reframe the issue into something else...

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And for the record, it is SOOOO predictable how you attempt to change the subject when you can't debate it.
The topic of this thread is "Treatment of Slaves in the Bible". And here you are discussing anything but that...

Originally Posted by alias

No one is tapping innocent Americans.

Originally Posted by alias

If you have a problem with my answer to child, then complain to him because he is the one who changed the topic, not me.

Originally Posted by alias

Wire tapping to hear the enemy is good. Are you the enemy within?

Originally Posted by foundit66

You LIE like a dog.
The FBI has ADMITTED that the MAJORITY of their terror fighting wire-tapping efforts were against innocent Americans.

But please Alias. By all means continue to lie and demonstrate that you have no credibility.



And yet, you have abandoned the thread topic completely.
Even now, you aren't attempting to discuss the real topic.

Originally Posted by alias

Okay, tapping innocent Americans is a good thing also.

Originally Posted by alias

I think you should be tapped. I think I'll call the FBI and ask them to tap you.

Originally Posted by alias

You better tell child to get back on topic. Go harass someone else.

Originally Posted by intangible child

Don't tell it like it is, make excuses, I personally will boycott religions!---ic

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Question

In Exodus, the Bible gives explicit instructions on how to treat slaves - including the rights your daughter would have if you were to sell her into slavery. If this is acceptable behaviour in the eye of God, I must boycott God. If this is an error in scripture, how am I to know what else is error? Which parts of Exodus are to be obeyed, and which ignored?

Answer

It would appear that you are referring to Ex. 21:7, rather than Ex. 20.

Using the traditional commentaries, including Rashi and Ibn Ezra (11th century), it was possible for a man living thousands of years ago in ancient Israel to place his minor daughter with a household, intending that the purchase-money paid to the father was a bride price; she would marry the master of the house or his son. It was not a sale into slavery or even into indentured servitude but rather service in a new house-hold.

She cannot be abused in any fashion. When she is betrothed to his son or to himself, she is protected as a daughter or a wife. She can leave that house and her role as a woman in the house after six years, or in the Jubilee or when she reaches her majority. She can't be "sold" to another like property - although the authorities differ on the exact meaning of "foreign," whether to another Israelite or not.

These laws refer to a historical period that was long ago, thousands of years ago when Judaism uniquely came forward to distinguish between human beings and property. It would take a great deal of space and time to explain these differences, but Jewish law is perceived today by scholars to have been a major advance over the legal codes of the nations surrounding ancient Israel. Not only were human beings protected, Judaism protected in law all socio-economic levels of humanity, while other legal codes would put the value of property above that of human life depending upon socio-economic status.

Most importantly, Jewish law continued to evolve and interpret the will of God to protect each human being more and more, adult or child, parent or child, as the centuries passed.

For this reason, I can understand how in one context of antiquity a law provided for a father to arrange a marriage and collect a bride-price that looks like a sale, nonetheless the young girl was protected also under those ancient laws and even more and more afterwards through the centuries.

I would urge you to read the Encyclopedia Judaica in the library on "bride-price" and related articles ( Huppah (marriage ceremony); Matrimony; Wedding; Bride and Bridegroom) , from which the following is taken:

"Generally, prior to the consummation of the marriage a betrothal was entered into; under this arrangement the bride-price (mohar) was established (Gen. 34:12; Ex. 22:16; I Sam. 18:25), accompanied by a gift (mattan; Gen. 34:12). A time limit was set by which the payments were to be completed and the marriage put into effect (I Sam. 18:17–19, 26:27). The engagement was a legal transaction in the fullest sense. An engaged man was exempt from military service (Deut. 20:7). The legal status of a betrothed virgin was such that she was prohibited to other men. If someone besides her fiancM had intercourse with her, she was held guilty of adultery. If the act took place in town, where she could have cried for help, the woman was equally guilty; but if it happened in the country she was exonerated by the benefit of the doubt—perhaps she did cry out and was not heard (Deut. 22:23–27)."

Best wishes on your studies and I am sure that with this perspective you'll be encouraged to see the wisdom of an evolving legal and religious system that respected human dignity of every man, woman and child.

Best Wishes,

Rabbi Barry Dov Lerner
Foundation for Family Education (FFFE)
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Originally Posted by alias

Wire tapping to hear the enemy is good.

Originally Posted by Lucidthots

Why are convicted criminals spying on me?

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