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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 09-08-2006, 12:51 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Well, I can see you are crying and whining WAYYY too much, and my point about the flood being a myth has been made and gone unrefuted by you...

So now I'll address your question...

Sodom and Gomorrah would be the best example. The earliest interpretations of the story said NOTHING about homosexuality. The pretense that it had anything to do with homosexuality is a re-interpretation that took place centuries after the bible was written.



Oh wow. Your reading comprehension problems are REALLY kicking in tonight.
Meds must be low?
I said the FLOOD was a myth. I wasn't talking about "creation" at all.

Modern texts also say nothing - explicitly - about homosexuality. But it's clearly there.

Now, I want proof of those ancient texts nothing about it.

WHAT are they? WHERE are they? WHAT do they say?


You've got nothing. But do be sure to keep humping, and jumping through hoops little doggie.
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:54 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Modern texts also say nothing - explicitly - about homosexuality. But it's clearly there.
"clearly" ???
WHERE???

Quote something REAL from Sodom and Gomorrah biblical text (not NIV recreations, but KJV) saying it was about homosexuality.


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Now, I want proof of those ancient texts nothing about it.
WHAT are they? WHERE are they? WHAT do they say?
I'm talking about a misrepresentation of the biblical text.
The early interpretations of those texts never pretended any "homosexuality" in the story of sodom and gomorrah.

Only centuries AFTER the last book in the bible was written did they start lying and claiming it was about "homosexuality".
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:55 AM   #123 (permalink)
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What evidence is there that any ancient biblical texts have been mis-translated or twisted?

Luke 17

:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Philo Judeaus (13 bc - 45 ad)

The Kingdom of God is within us, even in this life;

For this life's reward is holiness, the vision of God; Its punishment is that of being what sinners are.

This vision or knowledge of the most high is the direct personal communion of a soul that no longer reasons, but feels and knows.


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Old 09-08-2006, 12:57 AM   #124 (permalink)
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"clearly" ???
WHERE???

Quote something REAL from Sodom and Gomorrah biblical text (not NIV recreations, but KJV) saying it was about homosexuality.



I'm talking about a misrepresentation of the biblical text.
The early interpretations of those texts never pretended any "homosexuality" in the story of sodom and gomorrah.

Only centuries AFTER the last book in the bible was written did they start lying and claiming it was about "homosexuality".

Oh yeah, I gotcha.

Get your butt pounded on one point, so you try to deflect it and head in a different direction - thinking you won't be found out.

But you've been pounded. AGAIN.



The NIV is a more accurate translation than the KJV.

And I want PROOF that this "transformation of meaning" took place in the realm of homosexuality. What early documents say it was NOT homosexuality? What documents changed it? Who was behind it?

Got nothing, do you? Didn't think so.


Now... try to jump into another topic and deflect attention away from the fact that you lost this one too.
Old 09-08-2006, 01:08 AM   #125 (permalink)
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I'm talking about a misrepresentation of the biblical text.
The early interpretations of those texts never pretended any "homosexuality" in the story of sodom and gomorrah.

Only centuries AFTER the last book in the bible was written did they start lying and claiming it was about "homosexuality".

Foundit66.

You seem like a really nice person and I am sure that you are.

We are all sinners.

But lets not pretend that our sins are not.

Understand anatomy and biology and you will see GOD's plan manifested.


It doesnt make you a bad person because you are gay.

I dont think anyone here believes that.

And I know with complete certainty that at your core is pure eternal God.

We all have our demons to face..... none are excluded.



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It's funny to watch how you insist on the topic when you don't have a response to the argument made.

The Biblical "flood" was a myth. They stole the story from another culture, who made the story up.

And you can ignore that all you want by crying and whining that it doesn't address a question, but it won't make that go away.
Here is a link. I'm sure you will not find it credible.

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[quote=Jefferson;50070]Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and answer the question of the thread: What evidence is there to prove that ancient biblical texts were twisted, diluted and/or perverted during translation.

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there is no way that can be proven.. However it also cannot be proven that the text has NOT been tampered with.

that is why reading any religious text requires faith.

Criticism that the bible has been tampered with rests in the fact that some items there do not correspond to the logical thought of today. Deciding which you believe is a personal matter.

In any case the bible, quran, vedas or the torah are not valid as rationales for any action. One can justify it as rationales for one's OWN actions.. but none of them can be used at blueprints for deciding what other people can and can not do.

Basically believe it all you want. But none of that imposing it on me. Like for instance teaching creationism in school. Since the biblical version can never be considered as anything other than an article of PERSONAL FAITH it should not be taught as fact in school.

The only type of involvement that relgious texts should have in school is in comparative religious studies. Studies that view the texts as that which they are. Texts which people choose to believe or not believe in.
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Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and answer the question of the thread: What evidence is there to prove that ancient biblical texts were twisted, diluted and/or perverted during translation.

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there is no way that can be proven.. However it also cannot be proven that the text has NOT been tampered with.

that is why reading any religious text requires faith.

Criticism that the bible has been tampered with rests in the fact that some items there do not correspond to the logical thought of today. Deciding which you believe is a personal matter.

In any case the bible, quran, vedas or the torah are not valid as rationales for any action. One can justify it as rationales for one's OWN actions.. but none of them can be used at blueprints for deciding what other people can and can not do.

Basically believe it all you want. But none of that imposing it on me. Like for instance teaching creationism in school. Since the biblical version can never be considered as anything other than an article of PERSONAL FAITH it should not be taught as fact in school.

The only type of involvement that relgious texts should have in school is in comparative religious studies. Studies that view the texts as that which they are. Texts which people choose to believe or not believe in.
The bible is also a history book and everything it says about places and people are historically true. That does not require faith. There was a King David of Israel. There was and is a Jerusalem. Etc and etc. As far as being logical, a lot of people would not believe God talking through a donkey to a man or God parting the Red Sea as miracles. If you believe there is a God and that He is the creator, then God can do anything.
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The bible is also a history book and everything it says about places and people are historically true. That does not require faith.
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Luke 17

:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Philo Judeaus (13 bc - 45 ad)

The Kingdom of God is within us, even in this life;

For this life's reward is holiness, the vision of God; Its punishment is that of being what sinners are.

This vision or knowledge of the most high is the direct personal communion of a soul that no longer reasons, but feels and knows.


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Nice try, Acidthots, but this is NOT evidence of anything.

One ancient text - which is is no way connected to the bible - says one thing. The bible says something else.

Durrrrrrrrr...
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