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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 09-06-2006, 06:31 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Gentlemen, there is the very real possibility that God had nothing to do with the bible. In fact there is the very real possibility that God doesn't even exist. You guys are so deep into it you probably can't even accept these possibilities. Who could really blame you when you think your afterlife is at stake (and an afterlife that, again, may not exist).

You claim that God had something to do with the bible based on the opinion of people living 2000 years ago. Not much of a source.
And there is every possibility that YOU could be wrong.

In addition, there is the CERTAINTY that you are bigotted and hateful toward religious people - which is interesting, in light of the fact that you claim to be an educated, intellectual liberal that is above all that kind of crap. In reality, you're not different than the Fundy Bible Thumpers or Fundy Muslims. Full of hatred, and extremely religious about your religion.
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Old 09-06-2006, 06:36 PM   #72 (permalink)
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No answers to my questions?
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Who are you asking? And what are you asking?
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Who are you asking? And what are you asking?
Oh, my previous post I had posed some questions to Alias in response to the very first post of this thread, and also the questions were directed toward Christians in general. I will re-quote them for convenience:

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And why should we believe a book, of which has been changed and lost in translation over thousands of years?

Why should any thinking man, capable of cognative abilities, believe a book that has no objective evidence of its claims, of the reason and creator of all of life?

Don't take these questions to be contemptuous of Christianity. I'm just interested in your response to these two questions, and of other Christians' responses, considering you say that "the bible explicitly states"...well then I must ask of you, why should I believe the bible in the first place. Why should I believe in the legitimacy of what it says before I even face the point you pose?
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I never said you had to adhere to the bible. You can do as you please.
That's not the point.
The point is that you adhere to the bible out of BELIEF.
If people adhere to what Aristotle said, it's out of REASON.
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That's not the point.
The point is that you adhere to the bible out of BELIEF.
If people adhere to what Aristotle said, it's out of REASON.


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Not a common man.

He wrote books on diverse subjects, including physics, poetry, zoology, logic, rhetoric, government and biology.

Jesus was not a common man either. Forget everything else. Don't you think that there must be some rationale to his message since so many at the time followed him. I do not believe that he could have conned so many. And i don't believe he would have died for a con. Just simple psychology. He WAS after all a human.

However whatever he said he must have believed in. And if could tell people the truth of what he believed and gain so many supporters. Well there must have been something to it. However i think that since we are 2000 years from him it is harder to understand what he said then.

That is why many religious edicts of all major religions seem so non-sensical. Man has not forgotten what Jesus and the prophets said. They have however forgotten what they MEANT.
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Hevusa,

There is the very real possibility that God had everything to do with writing the bible. In fact, there is a very real possibility that God exists. You believe Aristotle's writings of over 2000 years ago.
aristotle's writings do not require FAITH. They are science. Aristotle was a naturalist. He observed nature and wrote his observations and deductions based on available evidence.

THe Old and New Testament, the Quran and the Vedas all require that one must BELIEVE before one can truly understand.
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Yeah, okay Einstein!
Once again, you mock the messenger while making no comment against the actual message...
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John 8:58. "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

He most certainly did say he was God in the flesh.
What i don't understand is that christ obviously didn't speak english. And we all know that concepts lose meaning when translated. This very sentence could have implied something entirely different in the time and language it was said in.

Can you trust translators through the ages to have done the concepts justice? Incidentally i have the same scepticism about all religious text.
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