Originally Posted by hkbajwa

oh shut up jefferson... why are you always so quick to attack somebody.. it's a freakin debate site.. not a gang fight.

Originally Posted by chrisg967

Jefferson, you stated that the above is dead wrong on 9/22/06 at 04:13 PM. Yet you do not pull it apart item by item. Perhaps I will.

hkbajwa states that violence gets better billing in the news than non-violence. This is true.

He then states "non-violence and terrorism are two different approaches to the same complaints. There IS a feeling of exploitation by the west that even the most peaceful muslim feels. "
We have no way of saying this is true or not unless we are muslim. We do not have the life experiences that muslims do at this point in time. You cannot invalidate someone's feelings by saying they are not true simply because you wish they did not feel that way.

Again, we do not see the non-violence because it is currently not newsworthy. This speaks volumes to me in terms of humanity's nature. Human beings have a long way to go.

If alias and Jefferson believe that all muslims are potential terrorists, then so are all human beings, as we all are capable of hatred, rage, vengeance and violence. The religion has nothing to do with terrorism, but is being used by people who are following the wrong path. Much the same could be said for a certain administration and evangelical christianity, in many people's opinion.

That most muslims agree with bin Laden's complaints, but not his methods, means that we in the west need to listen to the complaints. We are not good at active listening. It's time we learned.

Originally Posted by chrisg967

There was one heckler in a room full of Muslims being addressed by the UK Home Secretary John Reid. One.

And I think Muslims the world over have condemned terrorism. One I have talked to says those who claim to be Muslim but follow terrorists' ways are "lost".

Here's a website that explains how Muslims should respond to terrorists. At the end of the page is a summary:

Originally Posted by intangible child

Religion http://www.defendingthetruth.com/52552-post101.html (Islam Is A Religion Of Hate)

Post #101!

Religion 101, best put by John Lennon and Black Elk!

I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong.---John Lennon

"The first peace, which is the most important, is that
which comes within the souls of people when they realize their relationship, their oneness with the universe and all its powers, and when they realize that at the center of the universe dwells the Great Spirit, and that this center is really everywhere, it is within each of us."--- Black Elk

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Yeah, John Lennon.

A real deep thinker and genius there - kinda like Madonna and Barbra Streisand.

Newsflash: Celebrity does NOT equal smart.

Originally Posted by intangible child

Your "right"!

Ronald Reagan
Iran-Contra

Arnold Schwarzenegger
FOXNews.com - Arnold Allegedly Praised Hitler in 1975 Interview - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Facts are stupid things.---Ronald Reagan

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Simple.

Ludin comes in here spewing dumbass crap. He not only doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, I will NOT stand by and not answer his inane stupidity.

Don't like it, too bad.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

I'll put Reagan up alongside Lennon any day.

Good grief, Lennon handed that screeching Yoko Ono both his balls AND his brains. No thanks.

Originally Posted by intangible child

Religion [url]


I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong.---John Lennon