Islam Is A Religion Of Hate - Page 9

alias · 09-22-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

I have NEVER, nor will I ever defend the actions of the "christians" during the Crusades.

But history DOES bear out the FACT that they were a RESPONSE to Muslim aggression and barbaric savagery.

You need to deal with that fact.

Jefferson is correct about the history.

You "ordinary" muslims have to face the facts, not the west. The fact is you have a deadly cancer in your religion and it is not the fault of the USA, Israel, or anyone. It is the fault of those in your religion who want to make the world follow your religion. That is their goal.

Let me ask you one question. Would you like to see the entire world follow Islam? Yes or no.

Ludin · 09-22-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Now now jefferson.. no need to fly off the handle.

What ludin is trying to say is that americans do have a skewed vision regarding the nature of islam. The reason for this is that a bombing just makes better news that non-violence.

Now you have to understand that non-violence and terrorism are two different approaches to the same complaints. There IS a feeling of exploitation by the west that even the most peaceful muslim feels. Whether it is true or not is a different discussion. The point is that the west never sees the reports of all those who share the complaints of the terrorists, but DON'T choose to kill innocent people. This is not a conspriracy by the western media, but rather a reality of the nature of news reporting.

However as a result people like you and alias end up thinking that ALL muslims are potential terrorists. THat is not true. But we also cannot fault you for not knowing that.

However i do wish that you would open your eyes and ears a bit wider and believe me when i say that most muslims are NOT terrorists and they are exactly as capable of violence as any other grouping of people in the world. Circumstances dictate whether that potential is unleashed or not.

About the crusades, there is no way to tell. Perhaps the barbarity of the crusaders has been exagerrated.. maybe the muslims were not unruly hordes of barbarians pillaging the countryside. I know however that Islam as a religion has been pivotal in the intellectual development of the western world. The moors in spain lay the groundwork for the rennaisance.

Hitler, stalin and may not have been christian in their actions, but christianity was their stated religion. And it was religion they used to control their populations ( in stalin's case it was marxism, but still used as an opiate). This is just like Osama STATING that he is a true believer, but the muslim world agreeing that he is NOT a muslim. You should note that only far right wing fundos praise Osama as a true muslim. Most muslims do NOT agree with that.

HOWEVER, even though they condemn his method, they still agree with his complaints. This is the case with ahmedinejad. Most muslims do not agree with his firebrand type of islam. Many in fact work AGAINST it.. However most muslims also agree that somehow ahmedinejad has been exceptionally good at putting words to the complaints. It is in the interest of the US to listen. It will give you a good indication of the REAL problem, instead of the phantoms you are fighting now.

very well said

Jefferson · 09-22-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ludin

very well said

Even if it IS dead wrong.

I'm glad you agree, Ludin - because that almost certainly means it's not right.

alias · 09-22-2006, 06:17 PM

Mohammed ate shit sandwiches for lunch and fucked little boys.

Lucidthots · 09-22-2006, 06:23 PM

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Talmud: Religious beliefs of the Jews

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

alias · 09-22-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucidthots

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Talmud: Religious beliefs of the Jews

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

You know that is not law now and no one follows it. The Koran is still law for muslims. Be honest for once in your life.

Lucidthots · 09-22-2006, 07:22 PM

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Rabbi sucks a baby's penis and gives it herpes and kills it.....Mayor Bloomberg holds a meeting.

New York Daily News - Home - Mike caught in row over rabbi's herpes

Rabbi probed for circumcised infants' herpes - Children's Health - MSNBC.com

That's disgusting.

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alias · 09-22-2006, 07:27 PM

Acidthoughts burns his dirty diapers. Notice the dumb muslim in the background holding the sign upside down. Nice crowd you hang with acidthoughts.

Ludin · 09-22-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

You know that is not law now and no one follows it. The Koran is still law for muslims. Be honest for once in your life.

that is not the law NOW.. very interesting..

chrisg967 · 09-22-2006, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Okay I'm thinking outside the box...................................Kill the terrorists.

Here is a good thing: Kurdistan - The Other Iraq

You still have not told us what your solution is to terrorism.

lol, alias, that's not thinking outside the box, that's thinking inside the box.

That's a neat website. Thanks.

I read a quote from Albert Einstein that said something like "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

He also said, "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." I sure know that misunderstandings can cause conflict!

Understanding is exactly what Thich Nhat Hanh, a Vietnamese Buddist monk nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, aims for when he hosts retreats for Palestinians and Israelis at Plum Village, his meditation center in France. He has written a book about it; the book is described here. (I have never seen these retreats written up in mainstream media... must not have enough pizzaz.) The methods Thich Nhat Hanh uses are deep listening (also known as active listening), walking meditation, and mindfulness. My understanding of mindfulness is that it is knowing you are breathing in/out, knowing you are eating, and observing things deeply (such as where your food comes from and the people who have helped to produce it, get it to your table, and prepare it). It is meditation. Mindfulness has an impact also on personal health and stress reduction, because some hospitals are doing research on it and teaching it to their patients.

To gain understanding I would start listening to people, rather than not communicate with them at all. If you have an argument with your spouse, and neither of you talks, and neither of you hears what the other is saying, is the conflict resolved?

I would also want to handle my emotions better, so that I don't fly off the handle if when I'm listening to people, they say something I don't like. Possibly the listening needs to happen in a neutral place, such as Plum Village or other meditation center.

Another thing I have observed is that people have a need to be right. You know that feeling you get when you have made a point, and someone else attacks it? I'm not sure where that comes from, but I am learning that being right isn't necessary. Being loving is. And while some may say that killing terrorists is being loving to one's family/country, I just do not see that action resolving the conflict.

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