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of course oh ye most wisest of ALL.. i am wrong and you are forever right.. a thousand times right and i rue the day i made the fateful decision of crossing your astounding intellect and righteous condemnation.

you are so fantabulously right that i am suffocating in the wrongness of ME... oh dear!

thankyou oh thankyou for saving me from the evil that is.. i mean WAS.. my opinion.

If I'm so ignorant, show me where I am wrong. You keep insulting me but you have not shown me in the Quran where. Very lame.

The Dominant Religion in the Middle East and North Africa prior to Muhammed was Christianity. Muslims Invaded over the years, and forcibly converted the masses. Egypt was Christian, Lebanon was Christian etc.

The Religion of Islam teaches to spread the faith by the sword. Current actions of Islam warrant little respect from the west.

Where else would a 13 year old girl be forced to leave school to marry an illiterate 40 year old man? Where else would Christians be killed for not bowing down to Muslims? Where else in the world would such act of violence be taken out in the name of Religion?

In America, we dont kill Muslims or people of other faiths because they are not Christians. In Europe they don't go on pogroms against muslims.

Ill give you examples of how Islam is a violent Religion.

Muslims calling for a Jihad against a Christian Nation in Africa (Ethiopia)
American Muslims claiming they will make an Islamic State out in America and claim our wives as "war booty"
Muslims Rioting over any offense or criticism of their faith and religion by a public figure. The Pope, The Muhammed Cartoons.
Muslims killing babies, Women, and children in suicide bombings.


Not one of these acts has been perpetrated by Christians. Christianity was mostly spread by preaching and sermons, of the apostles. Christians didnt conquer the middle east, Africa, Asia Minor, and Europe to spread the faith at first.

Islam was soley spread by violence. It continues to be violent. It will always be a violent repressive backwards beleif. That inhibits progress and human rights.

EVERYTHING you have read about Mohammed comes from biased, one-sided Muslim-produced literature that is designed to keep YOU, and every other Muslim, in the dark about your beloved "original terrorist".

Open your eyes.

Why do you suppose the Muslim calendar begins with the Hijrah (622) and NOT the year of Mohammed's birth, or the year of Mohammed's first "revelation"? It's because that was the year that Mohammed became a political & military warlord.

Mohammed went to Medina because two tribes accepted him there, as opposed to the people of Mecca WHO ACTUALLY KNEW HIM, AND KNEW OF HIS LUNACY.

While in Medina he debated long and hard with the Jewish leaders - in an increasingly acrid debate. Ironically, his "revelations" began to be increasingly more VIOLENT and were little more than "warmed over Judaism" in their content. Interesting. Mohammed did NOT receive "revelations from God". He was just making crap up!

As a warlord in Mecca, Mohammed's followers REGULARLY raided and plundered Quraysh caravans from Mecca - the first of which took place at Al-Abwa or Waddan. Ironically, it was at that time that Allah supposedly told Mohammed that innocent non-Muslim women & children could be annihilated along with men.

The Muslim raid at Nakhla is particularly significant because they attacked a caravan on the last day of the sacred month of Rajab - apparently because it was okay to slaughter people that close to the end of the month. Lieutenant Abdullah Ibn Ishaq killed as many people as they could, and looted the plunder of raisins and leather. When he reported the raid to Mohammed, Mohammed was initially angry. However, when Mohammed learned how financially successful the raid was, he had another revelation (figure that!) saying that the Quraysh's rejection of him justified the slaughter! (Quran 2:214).

It is important to note that now "good" was defined as anything that benefitted the Muslims, and "evil" was anything that harmed them. This is a pattern that has guided Islam for the past 1400 years!

The Battle of Badr was led my Mohammed himself. It was an unprovoked attack on yet another Quraysh caravan. Again, the battle was initiated and led by Mohammed himself! The Muslim's victory at Badr was the turning point militarily, for Mohammed.

From that point on, it was non-stop bloodshed, aggression and slaughter - commanded and/or led by Mohammed himself!

This is your blood-thirsty, lying, marauding, aggressive terrorist "prophet", hkbajwa. This is the TRUTH about this SAVAGE BARBARIAN that you worship.

Open your eyes. Ask yourself why Islam has ALWAYS been a "Religion Of The Sword". Ask yourself why Islam has ALWAYS left bloodshed and slaughter in its wake.

yeah this is not going to be easy.. we have a fundamental inequality here. I believe in YOUR prophet, but you do not believe in mine.. but anyhoo.

a few things here

1) Islam is no more a religion of the sword than has been any of the other major religions. Islam has atrocities like suicide bombings to its name while christianity has things like the spanish inquisition.

2) Mohammad was no warlord. I don't believe there is ANY information to corroborate that claim other than hearsay.

3) MOhammad left Mecca because he was preaching against idol worship. He was upsetting the social structure of the Quraysh so they started persecuting him and his followers. RATHER THAN TAKING UP ARMS he chose to emigrate. THis is incidentally a very important principle for all muslims to follow. IF somebody is hassling you because of your religion then LEAVE if you cannot handle it.

4) The muslim calendar of course starts from the day of his first revelation. WHy would it start from the dsay of his birth. Muslims do not worship mohammad. Muslims worship GOD. MOhammad is his messenger, so he only became important the day he got the first message , get it?

5) THe Nakhla raid was a mistake made by one of mohammad's followers and he was reprimanded for it. Fact is that it wound up having serious political repercussions. It alerted the Quraysh to the "muslim threat" after whihc they sent out a party of their own to ELIMINATE the muslims.

6) How the hell can you say the Badr was an aggressive action when the muslims were outnumbered by 3 to 1 ? THe battle of Badr was 313 muslims fighting 1000 Quraysh. They fought a party sent out by the Quraysh to destroy the small muslim community, and the muslims DEFENDED themselves. Just as they did in the folowing two battles. THese BTW were the REAL Jihad. Battle for survival. ANd in all three cases the aggressor was the QUraysh. If you have information (OTHER than the assumption that mohammad was a marauding bandit) that indicates that the MUSLIMS initiated the battles then please share it with me.

Seriously Jefferson. I appreciate all that you are saying. I do not request or demand that you grovel at mohammad's name as so many buffoons do in this part of the world. However i don't get why you have to assume that he was evil personified.

I mean the spanish inquisition didn't make jesus evil did it? THe current muslim lunacy in the world also does not autmatically mean that mohammad was evil.

I am telling you that he was a man of patience love and peace. History as we have learnt it and as i have explained to you indicate that he was indeed such a man.

This was the man who for the first time in human history gave women a right to inheritance. He espoused the EQUALITY of women. He married his EMPLOYER khadija, his wives were active in the communities, and he allowed women to lead men in prayers. That is a far cry from the alleged chauvinism of Islam ( which is is in actuality cultural imports of later ages)

This was the man that NEVER ALLOWED FORCIBLE CONVERSIONS TO ISLAM. Nobody was EVER coerced into Islam in HIS day.

This was the man that never encouraged or permitted any slaughter. The Qaynuqa jews were EXILED not killed, the jews of Khaybar were subdued but allowed to remain exactly as they were and the beheading of the Banu mustaliq was a decision made by the leader of the Aws tribe. And beheading of the men of a treasonous tribe was not an unusual punishment in those times. YOU can't post that as an exmaple of MOhammad's inhumantiy. ESPECIALLY since he was not the judge and jury in that case.

This was a man that started the concept of state welfare. Zakat and Jizya were levied without discrimination and the money was used to run the community.

MOhammad never created a standing army ( which is what a war lord would do no?) All military confrontations involved the WHOLE community and PURELY FOR DEFENSE.

Sheesh dude i sound like a mullah i know, but the way i see it, muslims cannot communicate with anybody as long as you will consider mohammad evil. This is not a matter of ego, but think about it:

If i say that your religious philosophy comes from a good man, and you say that mine comes from an evil warlord... do you really think there can be any constructive debate?

You don't believe in Jesus. You believe in the Muslim version of Jesus. If you believed in Jesus, you would not be a Muslim.

Well that's a very astute observation alias.

Nevertheless i do not believe that jesus was the offspring of god. However i believe he brought god's law to mankind.

Incidentally i also do not believe he died at the crucifixion. There is mounting evidence that jesus migrated with mary and his followers to India. Mary died and was buried 70 kms from Islamabad. The place is now named Murree after her ( Mary is named Mariam in arabic ).

Jesus moved onward to setll eand die in Srinagar in Indian Kashmir.

Incidentally this is not the mainstream muslim opinion. As per other sects of Islam jesus is not dead, he has merely been lifted to the 4th of the 7 heavens where he awaits his return as the promised messiah.

This i consider a silly theory and contradictory to god's laws. Nevertheless i tell you this opinion because while i believe jesus' message to be divine, he was purely a human.

Believing that he is human and not the actual offspring of god is an affront to the CHURCH.. it neither adds to nor takes away from the validity of jesus' message, NOR is it an affront to his divine cause. By which i mean to say that i respect and revere your man of god. But church dogma is flawed. Which is why god sent an update.. int he shape of mohammad and the quran.

And god has not sent an update since mohammad?

In fact yes he has

Just as jesus came 1400 years after moses to guide his people back on the right path, Our sect of Islam believe that a gentleman named Mirza Ghulam Ahmed from Qadiani in India came in the late 1800s ( 1400 years after mohammad) to guide the muslims back on the right path.

The Islam that you see displayed in the world suffers from the same flaws that christianity suffered from in the shape of the vatican. Organized religion.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed claimed prophethood and sought to eliminate the flaws that had developed in Islam since Mohammad's time. For this all his followers have been declared apostates and non-muslims. So technically by the definition of mainstrem islam i am not a muslim.

I just happen to have been born into a family that acceptd this man as a prophet.

As it is i tend to believe him. I think i have been okay at putting across to you that i am not a bomb wielding socipath with a beard to trip over. I am so because i have been raised with certain principles where we deviate from mainstream Islam.

Firstly we do not have a culture of Jihad. As per our religion we are to integrate into any nation we move to. We can only affect change through the indigenous system and by consensus. We are not allowed to raise a hand in defense or offense for our religion. There is a BLANKET PROHIBITION against ANY violence.

The ahmedis believe in a progressive interpretation of the quran to reflect the realities of the present and not to glorify the successes and errors of the past.

Ahmedi women have 100% right to an education and we have a disproportionately large number of women with undergraduate and graduate degrees.

Anyhow i won't harp on about that any more. You can check out any other questions on the website Al Islam Online - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

Anyhow to answer your question then YES god HAs sent updates. While the Quran is the FINAL BOOK, Mohammad is not the last man with whom god would communicate. Even the most perfect of books needs to be understood int he context of the present and as mankind's capacity for understanding increases, so too must the message become more nuanced.

It is inevitable that god will communicate again through some other agent. Who knows. I just think that it is arrogant of any religion to believe that it does not need revising with the changing times.