To me, this is a no brainer. If there were EVER a reason for a "prophet "of God to rise up an make war, it was In Jesus's day. Israel was ruled by the iron fist of the Roman empire. But when they came to Jesus and asked his opinnion, he said "let me show you a new thing, love your enemies, pray for those who curse you". Not only did he not make war, he laid down his life. The first time Muhammad picked up a sword, he became a lier.

I though Muslims thought Jesus was replaced by Judus on the cross. That he never accually died?

"dude i understand your criticism. But you have to open your mind a little bit. If you beleive mohammad was evil then you must also believe that all his followers are evil. And i am not evil. Nor is my family, nor are my friends, nor is my country"


Its not that we believe you are evil. We believe in Jesus when he said there shall arise false prophets and false teachers, that will decieve many.

What do you base you belief on? Cause Jesus himself said he was God, and the Son of God. Just wondering where you get your ideas from regarding that?

Well that makes sense.

Though i would not agree that he was a liar. each situation must be dealt with accordingly. Jesus' position, his life, his following, his culture, his environment were all different from mohammad.

Jesus was an artisan in the hub of the civilized Roman EMpire.. Mohammad was a bedouin shepherd in a different time, place, society and culture.

Jesus lifting a sword would have meant something entirely different than when mohammad lifted a sword.

Fact is that life in the arab desert was VERY harsh. THe people to this day are some of the toughest in the world ( they have a DUNE Fremen thing goin on). For mohammad to lift a sword in self defense was a necessity of his life in order for him to survive and perform his duty. Jesus had to be crucified to affect the world in the way he did.

At least this is how i see it, but your argument is interesting. If jesus could spread god's message without ever resorting to physical violence, then why did mohammad not do the same? They both come from the same source so why did one act differently from the other.

Gonna look it up.

I have studied Islam for years - and done so with extreme scrutiny and skepticism of all sources.

My mind is actually quite open, but the evidence stacks up OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST Mohammed.

These supposed revelations he had - that resembled Judeo/Christian beliefs - came AFTER long discussions and debates with Jews and Christians in Medina. Revelations from God, or twisted Judaism?

From shortly after his move to Medina in 622, until his death, it was non-stop bloodshed, slaughter and warfare for the Muslims - MOST of it LED BY MOHAMMED HIMSELF. You can keep living in denial if you want, but you're arguing against history.

Mohammed screwed, and married, a 9-year old girl for crying out loud! 9 years old! "Men of God" don't do that crap. Perverts and savages do!


And when I say that Mohammed was - yes, absolutely - a savage liar and evil man, that does NOT mean that all Muslims are savage liars and evil. However, many are. Even you cannot deny that. Even you cannot deny that the Muslim religion is solely responsible for VAST amounts of violence and bloodshed, the world over, every day.

Are all Muslims blood-thirsty savages? No. But many ARE - and those that are can ALWAYS find justification for their brutality from both the Koran AND the life of Mohammed.

OK cool. And so it has happened. BUt does it mean that ONLY false prophets will arise?

In my opinion it cannot be true that god stops communicating his message to mankind. And even by christian lore he hasn't . What are the saints if not people that god communicated with.

But i'm sorry i don't consider the approval of the Vatican to be the word of god.

I believe that god HAS to have kept communication going .. It is required because mankind faces new challenges all the time and it is foolhardy to think that jesus could prepare the world for all eventualities in all eternity.

YOu should notice that most religious movements do their best to keep things the way they were. This is because most religions are not geared to deal with a new world every day.

This goes for Islam as well as any other religion. Even though the QUran is the last book of law for mankind, mohammad was not the last prophet to spread his message. They will keep coming because the world keeps changing.

As I see it, upon reading the gospels, virtually everyone around Jesus EXPECTED him to be a military warlord who would rise up and kick the Romans' arses out of Jerusalem. They EXPECTED him to restore the glory days of King David. Even his closest disciples, at one point, asked, "Are you at this time going to restore the kingdom of David?".

But Jesus did absolutely nothing of the sort. Not only did he not instigate (or even resist) violence and bloodshed, he said, "My kingdom is not of this world".

Jesus did everything Mohammed did NOT do.
Jesus was everything Mohammed was NOT.

simple metaphorical language. He probably said the exact words like that. But i would interpret them differently.

We are ALL children of god. He made us in his likeness did he not? So jesus did not lie. People just misunderstood him.

Likewise saying he was god.. well he couldn't possibly have meant that he WAS god. It would be hubris as far as i am concerned. What he DID mean was that his words were those of god. That he was god'sd shape on earth. That is not the same as saying that Jesus of Nazareth was actually God himself.

I dont know of your biblical knowledge, but Jesus most certainly without a question of doubt, in many ways, said he was God. The bible clearly says, and I qoute "Jesus Christ is the image of the living God" In Revolations he came to John saying "I am the first and the last, the beginning and end to all things. In the book of John its said, "he was in the world, and the world WAS MADE BY HIM, but the world knew him not. I'll take Johns word over anyones. After all he knew him personaly.