Originally Posted by hkbajwa

Look it is a well known fact that the mullahs use the US to garner support from common muslims. Whether it is righteous or not is not the point. The POINT is that it is a FACT that US actions around the world canVERY EASILY be stated as an example of WHY people should join together against them. It is in the US' OWN INTEREST to counter such propoganda by presenting behaviour that does NOT confirm the prejudice of the US being an imperialist invader.


Yeah sort of how the US galvanized against the commies followed by the "terrorists" these days. NEvertheless the fact remains that it IS a powerful which needs to be dealt with. YOu can't jsut say it's a lie and then let it be.


Yup my sect is not accepted by the mullahs because the basic theological precepts upon which our sect is based DENIES any political or ideological power to a clerical class. I move about in Pakistan without people knowing that i am offcially a "non- muslim". The point is that the mullahs do the shit talkin and the common man just listens to them because all other sources of information are considered unreliable. That is not due to the "evilness" of Islam or the common muslim, but rather due to the power grabbing attempts of the mullah minority ( kinda like how the catholic priests used to have a disproportionate amount of power compared to their numbers.)


I am VERY interested in knowing where you got information of mohammad's vast pillaging hordes. As per all the history i have ever read in my life mohammad never went ont he rampage, he never committedc war crimes, he never killed for vengance, he never tried to exterminate jews or any other people, and he never engaged in offensive warfare.

If you have information contradicting that i would like to know the sources.

Originally Posted by Nebraskaboy

Even though I don't agree with your religion, I don't think your religion in general is dangerous. However, you have way to many fanatics taking control of your religion, killing innocents, killing people for just being a different religion. And where are those that speak against this? Where are they? Even the ones that don't go around doing Jihad would like to see the jews massacred. What do you do about a religion that only wants to kill to get a point across?

Originally Posted by hevusa

Do you realize what you said above can be as true about America and Christianity??? That is if you look at the Iraq war as a religious war, which most people in the middle east do... and who can blame them with a Christian president in a mostly Christian country pre emptively attacking.

Originally Posted by hevusa

Do you realize what you said above can be as true about America and Christianity??? That is if you look at the Iraq war as a religious war, which most people in the middle east do... and who can blame them with a Christian president in a mostly Christian country pre emptively attacking.

Originally Posted by alias

I've got an idea. Why don't you go over there like those other 2 Americans did and put a turbin on your noggin and grow a beard and grab a rifle and join them.

Originally Posted by jaaaman

I think he already has...

Originally Posted by Jefferson

Only if you're an anti-Christian bigot - which you certainly are.

Originally Posted by alias

Michel Thooris, head of the small Action Police union, claims that the new violence is taking on an Islamic fundamentalist tinge.

"Many youths, many arsonists, many vandals behind the violence do it to cries of 'Allah Akbar' (God is Great) when our police cars are stoned," he said in an interview.

Larger, more mainstream police unions sharply disagree that the suburban unrest has any religious basis. However, they do say that some youth gangs no longer seem content to throw stones or torch cars and instead appear determined to hurt police officers — or worse.

"First, it was a rock here or there. Then it was rocks by the dozen. Now, they're leading operations of an almost military sort to trap us," said Loic Lecouplier, a police union official in the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris. "These are acts of war."

Sadio Sylla, an unemployed mother of three, watched the Oct. 13 ambush of the police patrol in Epinay-sur-Seine from her second-floor window. She, other witnesses and police union officials said up to 50 masked youths dashed out from behind trees.

One of the three officers needed 30 stitches to his face after being struck by a rock. On Saturday, five people were placed under investigation for attempted murder in relation to the ambush.

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