Is that all you have to say? No counterpoints? No evidence that it is a lie? All you can say is "now go bug somebody else with your irrlevance".

Jefferson is right. You are in denial. You're caught in a cult of deception. You're religion is a lie. You are the one responsible for your beliefs and being able to defend them. You can't.

You just cant blamethe muslims for causeing problems in the world. Each religion has done some thing to change the world for the good or bad. Not defending what the muslims have done over the past years but every religion has had it's share of mass murder and wrong doings.

And Christians think atheists are condescending?

This is quite off topic, I know, but I could not help but stop you in the act. There is a misconception that all atheists hold religious people in contempt. This is false. Although I highly dislike a dogmatic culture, I think that theism is a personal belief and should be respected. This is highly unlike religions as you can see in this forum. Atheists aren't the ones that are condescending, religious people are. For each religion, there is absolutely no room for debate, unlike in atheism. Because if you don't follow the strict list of guidelines (Jesus rose on the third day, or Mohammud was the last and great prophet, etc., etc.) then the game is over; you're no longer Christian or Muslim, but rather just a deist.

By nature, religion says that all other religions are false. It says, "hey, you know that which you devote your entire life and philosophy, I totally reject it". It's very condescending and there is no room for tolerance by each religion's nature. I don't even need to give examples, I'm replying to one. You're literally saying what he believes in for his cosmic existence is a lie and you are insulting him for believing it.

Sorry, continue with the defamation of other people's religions, cultures, and heritage.

Hey katczinsky why the hell did you skip school? (sorry this isnt relevent to this topic)

Car broke down. And yes, this is very irrelevant to the topic...perhaps it is best if you contacted me personally about these things rather than spamming a thread.

alias i cannot defend my religion againt ignorant ravings. Jefferson is sensible .. you are a mental midget..

I try to converse with jefferson.. but not bothered with u .

have fun

I am more than ready to debate Islam on its merits. Go for it or stop the bullshit and find a topic you know something about. If you can find where I am wrong on the facts, then present them and debate them. Otherwise, you're just full of bullshit rhetoric. Well, which is it?

You have not proven one thing a lie I have stated about the Quran. All you can do is insult. Since I am a mental midget. You should be able to explain this. If this verse is not true, then tell me why it is a lie:

XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies...

Is that in the Quran or isn't it: Here we see, that a husband can easily accuse his wife (or wives) and eventually sentence her to death by merely declaring four times that the accusation is true. On the other hand, women have no such right in Islam.

Yup i agree.

Incidentally, a particular feature of my sect of Islam is that access to heaven is not contingent upon membership to the club. A man is judged by his actions and his actions alone.. and not by his affiliations or by those who pray on his behalf.

Also, the only thing required for me to consider you as worthy of heaven as me is that you accept my right to believe what i believe.

This is religious law as per the ahmadi sect. Seriously guys i suggest that you check out the site. FOr no othger reason than the fact that it might be heartening for you to see that not all muslim philosophy is about violence and conquest.

Al Islam Online - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

See what you think

If you believe the Quran, you believe in violence to spread your faith because that is what the Quran teaches. Now call me a liar so I can show you the passages from the Quran.

The reason you cannot defend Islam is not because of my ignorant rantings, but because what I say is right from the Quran. That makes you a liar. But, according to your Quran, it is okay for you to lie to further Islam so that's okay isn't it. If you can't debate with me, then I suggest you grow up and admit it instead of insulting me. It makes you look very small and just confirms what I have been saying.