Stop the Public Expression of Religion Act! - Page 2

Jefferson · 10-16-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxian

I'm not saying taxpayer money should go to the ACLU. I'm saying that if someone violates the religious freedom guaranteed in the law, and the victim has to go to court and wins, then the violator should pay for the victim's lawyer.

Sometimes this means the violator's money will be going to the ACLU, but I don't think we should treat victims of civil rights violations unfairly simply because some people don't like the ACLU.

And I'm saying, "Do some research!"

The ACLU is pulling in taxpayer money by the millions.

chrisg967 · 10-16-2006, 08:08 PM

In other sorts of cases, doesn't the violator pay the victim's court costs?

Jefferson · 10-16-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisg967

Jefferson, how are they religious bigots? Please help me see it how you see it.

If I have a predisposition against blacks, and regularly refer to them as "niggers", would you say I'm a bigot?

Yes, I believe you would - and I believe you'd be right.

On the other hand, people who have a predisposition against religions - and especially Christianity - are not only NOT called bigots, they're heralded as the "intellectuals" and "the thinkers".

Same ugly bigotry, but with a different twist. Hevusa is a perfect example of that.

chrisg967 · 10-16-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

If I have a predisposition against blacks, and regularly refer to them as "niggers", would you say I'm a bigot?

Yes, I believe you would - and I believe you'd be right.

On the other hand, people who have a predisposition against religions - and especially Christianity - are not only NOT called bigots, they're heralded as the "intellectuals" and "the thinkers".

Same ugly bigotry, but with a different twist. Hevusa is a perfect example of that.

Hmm.. so if I have a predisposition against violence... oh, wait, there is an action there (whereas I am only predisposed)... the actio being name calling or litigation... I think I'm getting a better understanding of what you mean.

But then again, say you let someone lead a prayer at a government event, who's to say what type of religious prayer it will be? Can it be Jewish? Christian? Muslim? Buddhist? Wiccan? If any of the previous, which sect/denomination? Who/what is being prayed to? Much better in my opinion to have a moment of silence and let people do their own prayer (or meditation, or nothing).

Jefferson · 10-16-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisg967

Hmm.. so if I have a predisposition against violence... oh, wait, there is an action there (whereas I am only predisposed)... the actio being name calling or litigation... I think I'm getting a better understanding of what you mean.

But then again, say you let someone lead a prayer at a government event, who's to say what type of religious prayer it will be? Can it be Jewish? Christian? Muslim? Buddhist? Wiccan? If any of the previous, which sect/denomination? Who/what is being prayed to? Much better in my opinion to have a moment of silence and let people do their own prayer (or meditation, or nothing).

I agree. But you and I BOTH know that that's NOT what the ACLU is after!

And you're still not addressing the fact that many people are religious bigots - yet the same people would SCREAM about somebody else being a bigot.

chrisg967 · 10-16-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

I agree. But you and I BOTH know that that's NOT what the ACLU is after!

And you're still not addressing the fact that many people are religious bigots - yet the same people would SCREAM about somebody else being a bigot.

We do? I am not convinced yet they are after anything else.

I'm not addressing it because I've not seen it, or if I have, I've not been conscious of it. Although, there does seem to be prejudice against Wiccans and Pagans, and they turn around and send it right back. Doesn't seem right to me, either way.

Jaxian · 10-17-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

And I'm saying, "Do some research!"

The ACLU is pulling in taxpayer money by the millions.

I don't believe I said anything disagreement with this statement. Is the research you would have me do related to the ACLU pulling in taxpayer money?

alias · 10-17-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisg967

Hmm.. so if I have a predisposition against violence... oh, wait, there is an action there (whereas I am only predisposed)... the actio being name calling or litigation... I think I'm getting a better understanding of what you mean.

But then again, say you let someone lead a prayer at a government event, who's to say what type of religious prayer it will be? Can it be Jewish? Christian? Muslim? Buddhist? Wiccan? If any of the previous, which sect/denomination? Who/what is being prayed to? Much better in my opinion to have a moment of silence and let people do their own prayer (or meditation, or nothing).

Anyone can lead any kind of prayer at a government event. There is nothing in the constitution against it. Bush had a Christian speak and lead a prayer at his first inauguration and no one did a damn thing about it. That is surely a government event. The only ones against it are the communists who have succeded into making people believe it is constitutional to prevent it. The "separation" clause is to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government. As usual, the liberals are confused.

chrisg967 · 10-17-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Anyone can lead any kind of prayer at a government event. There is nothing in the constitution against it. Bush had a Christian speak and lead a prayer at his first inauguration and no one did a damn thing about it. That is surely a government event. The only ones against it are the communists who have succeded into making people believe it is constitutional to prevent it. The "separation" clause is to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government. As usual, the liberals are confused.

Just let someone try to lead a Wiccan prayer/chant at a government event....