You reference a wiccan prayer/chant as "crap", yet Wicca is a recognized religion just as Christianity is, and theoretically a Wiccan could give a prayer at the beginning of some governmental event just as a Methodist minister might. To always have the same religion represented at governmental events is akin to establishing that religion, in my opinion.

Yes, there is a seperation of church and state in America. Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Virginia Baptists clarifies the meaning of this pertaining to the constitution.

The founding fathers where Deists and Protestants for the most part. They didnt like people telling them to pray, where to pray, when to pray, and whome to pray to.

If we have Christian Prayer in public schools, then they need to segregate the public schools into Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Wiccan, Hindu, Zoastrian, Kabbala, and so on. It's just better for everyone if we leave prayer at home.


Howevor, I see no problem with having the ten commandments on display at a courthouse. Who does it realy offend? Noone realy. Or having references to god on our currency, who cares realy?

If you don't beleieve in god, jesus, allah, buddah, so be it. Just dont get your ass in a twist if you see religious imagery on governmental buildings. I mean realy, get over yourself.

The anti-religous community is realy just fighting over nothing. When they could put their efforts into something worthwile, like lobbying for hydrogen technology or feeding the millions of Americans who can't afford food and medicine.


In conclusion, if your angry about a christmas decoration at the post office. You have way, way too much time on your hands.

This is very true.

It's still crap in my opinion. If a wiccan ever gets to be president, he can do whatever he wants. I have the choice of ignoring it. Why don't all you anti-Christians do the same.

That is your opinion. It's my opinion that always using the same religion in prayers at governmental events is akin to establishing that religion. That says NOTHING about WHICH religion is used, does it? It could be any, and in my opinion, it would still be akin to establishing that religion as the religion of the land. Americans belong to a multitude of religions, not just one.

"all you anti-Christians" ??? What exactly have I said that makes me anti-Christian?

Hello, satv365. In reading your post, I'm finding an inconsistency. At first you say to leave prayer at home because there are so many different religions we'd need to segregate them out at prayer time. Then you say "so what" to a display of the ten commandments, forgetting that the commandments may be in opposition to one or more of the same religions you listed. What's up with that? Hmm.. don't some religions have multiple gods? Plus, whose version of the commandments are you going to display? Are they displayed so that people can read them, or are they just there for decoration? Why display them on government property and not on church, corporate or personal property?

Americans who follow religions other than Christianity are still Americans, are they not???

I believe Jesus was anti-religion, too. Have you read the book, What Jesus Meant by Garry Wills?

If the president being sworn in wants a Christian prayer, that is their right. Any Christian wanting to pray at a government event does not constitute establishing a religion. Someone saying a prayer or reading a bible passage is their right at a government event. You better read that clause again. It says "CONGRESS" shall not establish a religion. That means if a kid wants to pray at a football game or sing Christmas songs in school they have that right.

What are you going to do about the 10 commandments displayed on the US Supreme Court Building? What are you going to do about the bible buried in the cornerstone of Washington's Monument?

No inconsistencys here. Just a dose of realism.

Do I beleive that prayer should be left out of public schools? Yes. Do I give a flying monkeys droppings if a statue of the ten commandments are on govt property? No.

It comes down to picking your battles. Let the little piddly crap that dosnt matter go, and focus on the big issues.

Are we talking about the same thing? When I was a kid my family moved to New Orleans, and it was there that I encountered school prayer for the first time. All students were expected to participate in the Christian prayer, lead by the principal. This is what I object to.

I'm not talking about someone who wants to say grace on their own before they eat lunch, or someone who wants a prayer before they get inaugurated.