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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 10-29-2006, 01:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Well sarge while i truly do respect your opinions ( you seem to know what you are talking about ) i fail to understand what convinces you that world politics is a zero sum game.

IN fact i think this is the basic flaw in conservative thinking. Of course conservative politics will engender conflict if there is a basic assumption that if WE get OURS then somebody loses out.

This is not a fact.. there is plenty to go around.. THat means for instance if you pay 50% taxes you can STILL have plenty to take care of ur stuff.
See that is the misnomer. I do not believe that politics or economics is a zero sum game. We do not believe that if we get ours somebody loses out, that is liberal thought. We have long believed that the pie is not fixed and when it grows all benefit. (Trickle-Down economic theory)

The problem we have with paying more taxes equates to our basic ideal of individual freedom and self-reliance. WHy should the government take 50% of the money that I have worked to earn, giving me nothing in return. I am the one that goes to work everyday, that pays my taxes, and that supports the economy and the government by trading my hard earned money for goods and services.

Government should only do what people cannot do for themselves, i.e. provide defense of the nation, enforce the laws, and settle disputes. There is no reason for government to provide those things in which I am capable of negotiating and providing for myself.

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Old 10-29-2006, 01:47 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This is the problem that occurs when you try to apply worldly labels to Christ, the Son of Man. People like to claim that Christ is a socialist, or a liberal, or even a conservative. But this is a fool errand, simply because he was the Way and THE TRUTH.

We can sit here and take this verse or that verse and try to apply it to our ideologies, but when we do, we do a serious misjustice, because we are all guilty of selective choosing. For example, often times conservatives are reminded by liberals about Christ saying, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." Especially when it comes in regards to our opposition of homosexuality. For the most part this phrase does put conservatives in a bad light, however, when you take the lesson in its entirety it takes on a whole new light. For then Christ said, "So woman who stands to accuse thee. No go forth and sin no more."

Hmm while it is wrong for us to judge or to cast stones at someone who has sinned, because we ourselves are no without sin, the final lesson was to go sin no more.

Sorry, but there is no way to determine exactly where Christ would fall using only worldly terms. His was a message of love, peace, forgiveness, and ultimately acceptance. But most importantly was for his desire for us to know God and accept God into our lives.

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Old 10-30-2006, 09:36 AM   #13 (permalink)
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This is the problem that occurs when you try to apply worldly labels to Christ, the Son of Man. People like to claim that Christ is a socialist, or a liberal, or even a conservative. But this is a fool errand, simply because he was the Way and THE TRUTH.

We can sit here and take this verse or that verse and try to apply it to our ideologies, but when we do, we do a serious misjustice, because we are all guilty of selective choosing. For example, often times conservatives are reminded by liberals about Christ saying, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." Especially when it comes in regards to our opposition of homosexuality. For the most part this phrase does put conservatives in a bad light, however, when you take the lesson in its entirety it takes on a whole new light. For then Christ said, "So woman who stands to accuse thee. No go forth and sin no more."

Hmm while it is wrong for us to judge or to cast stones at someone who has sinned, because we ourselves are no without sin, the final lesson was to go sin no more.

Sorry, but there is no way to determine exactly where Christ would fall using only worldly terms. His was a message of love, peace, forgiveness, and ultimately acceptance. But most importantly was for his desire for us to know God and accept God into our lives.

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I'll take it a step further in saying, Jesus wouldnt have anything to do with our f'ed up political system. Any part of it.
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From the National Council of Churches USA website (Vote Carefully



Do you think these are partisan principles, and if so, which party?
Yes, these are partisan principles.

The National Council of Churches USA is a VERY liberal organization.

You could probably balance that out with something from, say, The Family Research Council - or some other ultra-conservative Christian organization.
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And a middle of the road (or if we're balancing.. then right above the fulcrum) group would be.... ??
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