For pete's sake.
It's amazing how on one hand, you point to two muslim women who had an altercation in a gym over unknown circumstances...

... and then you try to hold that example up next to people being beheaded for not praying.

Can you get a clue about the SEVERE DIFFERENCE in level between the two?
The first is a mole-hill of unknown origin and fault.
The second is undoubtedly and unrefutedly a mountain.

The first in no way implies the second, unless you're working off extreme conspiracy theory levels that would make Lucy proud.


1) There are some Christians who want to set up a "Christian nation" too.

2) See, this is one of the things that slays me about your whole blind allegation approach.
This Muslim woman PRAISED AMERICA'S TOLERANCE. She said part of the reason she moved is because she like the GREATER TOLERANCE.
Does that sound like she wants to establish what she got away from here???

They have to - they live there just like everyone else.

I think they are trying to be more comfortable where they live. I see no problem with that unless they break the laws where they live.

I haven't asked the muslims I know about Sharia law and how they feel about it coming here. Hmm.. they could have had Sharia law in Pakistan, Dubai, or Jordan.. why bother coming all the way to the US only to have to put up with it again?

Again this is besides the point. A fitness center is where one goes to workout their bodies. As a muslim the women knew she would have to pray, it is a basic tenet of her religion. So why was she working out when it was time for her prayers?

I missed nothing, just found it quite revealing how those who would attack one religion in a topic on this forum somehow seem to be supporting religion in this topic.

A job cannot discriminate against a person based upon their religion, as such, must wrok spaces have hired people who are practicing muslims knowing full well the extent of their necessity to pray at given times a day and have thus accepted the responsibility for allowing such prayer and furthermore have created areas where this can be accomplished. This is a sort of social contract between employee and employer, created when the employer willing hired the employee.

The gym is a different beast altogether. Again it was an optional choice made by the individual to work out at this center. Again she also made the choice to perform her workout near a time when she knew that she must say her prayers. WHY?????

While I will agree that some have shown religious intolerance, answer my arguments not theirs!!

dmk

IF they can pray WITHOUT inconveniencing others in a significant way, then what's the problem?[/quote]

I see it as entirely relevant to the point.
We disagree on what the "point" is.
Your "point" is to focus on why she was "praying" at a gym in the first place. I find that rather pointless. She has the capability to pray at the gym, the gym managers don't mind if she prays, so why is it any of your business ...
... if she can do it without bothering others.
And THAT is where my point is.


Why does it matter?
Tell me. If a Christian is considering praying in the gym, would you think it feasible to advise them to leave first?


No. You missed plenty.
Because the point was how "revealing" it is that those who defend religious freedoms in one topic (for Christians) somehow seem to be attacking religion (for Muslims) in this thread. That, and to point out that no religion is blemish free. This pretense that Christians don't "ask" for things or play the "victim" card is inane, especially when the poster in question has tossed out allegations of bigotry towards Christianity.
If you can't accurately comprehend what the point is, then please take my advice in letting you know what the point is.
If your purpose is to obfuscate the point, then I'll just keep correcting you.
Who knows better what my point is? You or me?


Understood.


Why does it matter?


I see no point to your questions.
And I see no way of really answering your questions. The answers are not known. The answers would have to come from the Muslim woman.
Suppose she did it out of convenience. Finish the work-out at XX:XX p.m., shower, and then do a quick prayer before heading off to pick up the dry cleaning or go grocery shopping. Doing it in the gym where you (hopefully) have more room seems to make more sense than doing it at the grocery store, or on a busy side-walk.

Suppose she did it out of religious demonstration. She wanted to pray in front of others.

Suppose...

Everything is hypothetical. Nothing is really known. It's all speculation.
And I still don't see WHY this question is important in the first place...

The REAL group that has a say in all this is the gym. Questioning her MOTIVES for praying, and then assessing whether or not she should be able to pray based on ASSUMED motives is pointless.


I find irony in the fact that you insisted I answer your question when you obviously did not answer mine...