Muslim Prayer Interrrupted At Gym - Page 4

alias · 12-06-2006, 08:02 PM

Every day we hear about another muslim being offended. Why do you think that is Jaxian?

Jefferson · 12-06-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

And then we can put a similar one up in schools, eh Alias?
Basically, that's already happening - even though a publically funded school is NOT the same as a private business.

One that states this is a school, and the purpose is education and not religion, and thus if you feel the need to pray, do it quietly by yourself?
That's what's already being done to people of specific religions. Well... A specific religion: aka, Christianity.

And if you can't cope, take your behind somewhere else...

Actually, that's exactly what IS happening. People are pulling their students out of the corrupt public schools by the thousands! There are many reasons, including this one.

There you have it.

Jefferson · 12-06-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxian

The article says that another patron interrupted her. It does not say exactly what that patron did to cause the interruption. You had said that another patron working out is enough to cause that interruption, but if that were enough, then she'd have been interrupted long ago.

More likely, the patron interrupted her by giving her a hard time or something, since that would be more out of the ordinary, and since the manager said that other patrons don't have to respect her God, that sounds like another patron was disrespecting her God.

But like I said, this article doesn't really explain what happened. So we can't judge who was right or wrong.

I'm not sure they are different. It doesn't look like either story is presented in this article.

Sure, I can understand that. Certainly her prayers shouldn't interfere with anyone else's exercise. But I'm not sure if that is what happened, or if another patron was going out of his way to interrupt her prayer.

You're making excuses for her.

If she was a Christian - and not a Muslim - this incident would NEVER have been reported in ANY paper.

Jaxian · 12-06-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

You're making excuses for her.

I mean to make no excuses. If someone else intentionally interrupted her prayer, she is right. If someone else accidentally interrupted her prayer, she is wrong. The article does not provide enough information to know for certain.

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If she was a Christian - and not a Muslim - this incident would NEVER have been reported in ANY paper.

You are likely correct about this. But it would not change whether she is wrong or right.

Jefferson · 12-06-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxian

I mean to make no excuses. If someone else intentionally interrupted her prayer, she is right. If someone else accidentally interrupted her prayer, she is wrong. The article does not provide enough information to know for certain.

You are likely correct about this. But it would not change whether she is wrong or right.

She's wrong. Period.

If she's going to a FITNESS CLUB to PRAY - she has no right to DEMAND that the management reprimand or remove somebody who is disrupting her prayer.

It's like going to work - spending time there praying - and screaming "ABUSE!" when a supervisor tells you got get off you butt and get working. It's NOT discrimination. It's reality.

nuttyjoe · 12-06-2006, 09:29 PM

I agree with you, Chris. I don't see where(and how) the Muslim woman's praying inconvenienced the other patron.
Here in america; we pride ourselves on the fact that everybody is granted freedom of religion. If somebody can tell me what law was broken by the Muslim woman, I would like to hear it.
What seems to be happening is that anyone of the Muslim religion is lately being "profiled" as a terrorist- this is wrong and must stop. If a person has a valid reason for involving the legal authorities against this woman (or any other Muslim) they should; but so far no valid reason has come forth. It will be interesting to see if the ALCU gets involved here.

Jefferson · 12-06-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

I agree with you, Chris. I don't see where(and how) the Muslim woman's praying inconvenienced the other patron.
Here in america; we pride ourselves on the fact that everybody is granted freedom of religion. If somebody can tell me what law was broken by the Muslim woman, I would like to hear it.
What seems to be happening is that anyone of the Muslim religion is lately being "profiled" as a terrorist- this is wrong and must stop. If a person has a valid reason for involving the legal authorities against this woman (or any other Muslim) they should; but so far no valid reason has come forth. It will be interesting to see if the ALCU gets involved here.

That's not the point.

And I think you're reading a whole lotta crap into this that is NOT stated.

This woman was praying AT A FITNESS CLUB.

Her prayer - at said fitness club - was interrupted. So she complained.

The management basically said, "Too bad, so sad."

Now it's front-page news, because she somehow expects to be uninterrupted, in her prayers, AT A FITNESS CLUB.

You cannot expect a fitness club to NOT be used as a fitness club, just because you choose to pray there.

alias · 12-06-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxian

I mean to make no excuses. If someone else intentionally interrupted her prayer, she is right. If someone else accidentally interrupted her prayer, she is wrong. The article does not provide enough information to know for certain.

You are likely correct about this. But it would not change whether she is wrong or right.

Why do you think we are seeing so many muslims getting offended these days?

alias · 12-06-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nuttyjoe

I agree with you, Chris. I don't see where(and how) the Muslim woman's praying inconvenienced the other patron.
Here in america; we pride ourselves on the fact that everybody is granted freedom of religion. If somebody can tell me what law was broken by the Muslim woman, I would like to hear it.
What seems to be happening is that anyone of the Muslim religion is lately being "profiled" as a terrorist- this is wrong and must stop. If a person has a valid reason for involving the legal authorities against this woman (or any other Muslim) they should; but so far no valid reason has come forth. It will be interesting to see if the ALCU gets involved here.

You're off track. The muslim woman was praying at a gym and complains she was interrupted by someone who was working out. How does that have anything to do with terrorism is beyond me.

Why all of a sudden are muslims being offended so easily these days. The article says she has been going to the gym for 7-8 years and now all of a sudden she is offended. The muslims at the airport in Minneapolis are offended. Who is calling the media? Am I the only one seeing something going on or is everyone else so politically correct that they are afraid to mention the obvious?

nuttyjoe · 12-06-2006, 09:43 PM

Again; in America, all citizens are granted freedom of religion. Does anybody remember about 11 or so years ago that during the national anthem of an NBA game between the Chicago Bulls and Denver Nuggets the furor that erupted over a Muslim player on the Nuggets refusing to stand to honor our flag? The situation had to be defused by the NBA allowing this player to do his prayers in the locker room during the national anthem. It was ruled that his right to prayer and religious freedom is absolute and that he cannot be denied it. I think the decision was wise in that a workable solution was arrived at that satisfied all involved. The player is allowed his religious rights, and in a manner that is lawful and unnoffensive.

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