Jesus said to lover your neighbor and go the extra mile. The Quran says to chop off the unbeliever's head. Looks to me that the muslims doing that are just following their holy book.

Yeah. They can.
But they whine and cry that they are forbidden when they aren't.
And the truth is that they DO NOT pray like they are allowed...
It's funny how I've asked people who are for prayer in school if they pray before their meals at home with their kids. Most say no. I've actually tripped up a few liars by asking their kids the same question.


Tons about Christians griping about how they can't pray in places that they are not forbidden.


Yeah. That's nothing like Christians demanding to have a 29 foot tall cross on governmental property.
I can just imagine Alias's complaint fest if it were a 29 foot tall Muslim symbol instead...


Okay. Note to Foundit66...
Save this quote for the next time Alias wants teacher or coach lead prayer in school...


Considering YOU have called Mohamed names, your description is ridiculously incomplete, bordering on a lie...
It would be more accurate to ask if YOU were called names because YOU called Mohamed and Muslims names...


Gee. And when I quote the Bible, you NEVER say anything like that.


There you go with that stereo-typing again.
It's a governmentally documented FACT that Bush has made MORE of them mad, and increased terrorism.
But to somebody who thinks like Alias, that Muslims are just terrorists anyways, what the heck does it matter???


As opposed to the Christian Nazi death count, or the Christian KKK death count.
Oh wait. Let me guess. YOU say they aren't really Christian, just like the Muslims who refute your allegations point out that they are violating NUMEROUS bible passages...


Zealots, Christian or Muslim, should be countered.
And this "hate christian" crap?
Oh wah, wah, wah... Alias is playing the VICTIM card...

Gee. Where have I heard that reply before...

Considering the fact that Muslims when they pray must do so out loud. That alone would be inconvenience. Christians when they pray often do so silently, however, Muslims must pray out loud. That is a requirement, it is mandatory. Therefore, while I respect the right of Muslims to worship as they please, they must also respect my right not to hear their prayers. If they do not want to cause a controversy, then they should pray out of earshot of others, if not, then they should expect others around them to let them know that what they are doing bothers them.

Respect is a two-way street.

dmk

I don't know where you get your information but it is NOT MANDATORY to pray out loud.

THe call for prayer is done out loud but only in community centre/ mosque. Muslims can pray out loud or completely silently. In fact they are not even required to perform the ritualistic movements if circumstances do not allow them. For instance those dumbasses in the airport that insisted on displaying their religion could have said their prayers nicely sitting on the waiting seat in the terminal.

Your information is wrong dear friend. In fact i have some of my colleagues praying while at work. They take out a few minutes, go to a corner and perform their prayers. Not an interference for anybody. In fact people go about their daily business while ignoring anybody wo is praying. The only quarter given is that a man is not jostled around or spoken to while he is praying. And that is respect to be accorded to ANYBODY regardless of religion. Your time with god is YOUR time.

Unfortunately the story about the muslim lady does not ouline the situation in detail. I mean was she standing on the jogging machine in everybody's way? or was she sitting in acorner praying. Taking offense to obstruction is one thing. Taking offense at public prayer is quite another.

A big argument ha been created about this situation without the facts on the table. What was the patron complaining about? What did the muslim lady feel assaulted by? Was it that she was disallowed from openly being muslim? Or was she prevented from stopping other people's activities?

Personally from this story i cannot form an opinion ( as opposed to certain characters that made up their mind the second they heard a muslim was involved.. not talkin 'bout u sarge) . Anyhoo i have a feeling that the patron took personal offense because the lady was a muslim. I mean if you are pumping away on a machine, what difference does it make if somebody prays next to you? UNless the muslim lady was sitting on one of the gym machines, or in themain thoroughfare, or demanding silence and reverence from the other non-muslims, i don't see why anybody should have an issue with her praying.

The simple fact is that taking offense at an open display of belief is not unheard of in the US even when the praying party is christian.

Does this necessarily have to be a "muslim" issue? Could this not also be a religious/atheist issue?

You're right. There's not enough information provided by the article - which is pretty typical.

We have a problem with news reporting not really being reporting, as much as inciting.

Dhimitude.

Jefferson, you may be (and likely are) correct in that the incomplete reporting of this incident may simply be to to inflame or incite one side against the other. I apologize to anybody I may have offended by offering my opinion on this subject-for having done do without having all the facts.
I will say that if an incomplete (definitely) and inciteful (possibly) article such as this can have the effect that we have seen here with all the bickering and name-calling; compare that to the world's population of both religions and what do you get? no way to solve a problem- and that's the first and real problem...people are spending too much time focusing on their (I was part of this equation but won't be any more) point of view; and not concentrating on SOLVING THE PROBLEM!

Interesting commentary that relates to this:

Debbie Schlussel
Debbie Schlussel
Ogre's Politics & Views: Why "Multiculturalsim" Doesn't Work

Looks like Debbie and Alias are on the same wave length. Dhimitude.

Assimilate or take your muslim ass back to where you came from. We will not submit.

From an article that was linked from Jefferson's web-site:

Most recently, two female Muslim members were harassed by patrons and Fitness staff as they attempted to pray in the locker room. According to the information that ADC has received from the claimants and witnesses, the women were praying near the lockers when another patron began to make remarks and proceeded to push them.

Debbie Schlussel


There is incredible irony in how Debbie describes the incident, and how the thing she quotes describes the incident. Much like night and day...

Of course, as in with all crappy reporting, even this account leaves too much out. If the claimants were blocking the locker of one of the other women, I could easily understand how it could escalate.
If the claimants were nowhere near the locker of the other women, then one has to wonder why it became an issue in the first place.

This Muslim has been going to the Fitness USA for 7 to 8 years, and out of the blue she decides to 'pick a fight'???

This will probably turn into one of those crappy "she said/ she said" situations...