End Time Prophecy, are we the generation? - Page 3

hevusa · 01-11-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

Sometimes we know more than what we have learned, and speak from that basis of knowledge...It is intuition. Not a lie.

IMHO

OD

It would be a lie for that Dog to claim that color is anything but a theory if there was no evidence for it.

What do we know that we have not learned Oh Dear? Intuition doesn't have anything to do with what is true or not.

OhDear · 01-11-2007, 04:29 PM

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It is no more crazy than a dog finding a rainbow. Dogs are colourblind, Gretchen. They don't see colour. Just like we don't see time. We can feel it, we can feel it passing, but we can't see it. It's just like a blur. It's like we're riding in a supersonic train and the world is just blowing by, but imagine if we could stop that train, eh, Gretchen? Imagine if we could stop that train, get out, look around, and see time for what it really is? A universe, a world, a thing as unimaginable as colour to a dog, and as real, as tangible as that chair you're sitting in. Now if we could see it like that, really look at it, then maybe we could see the flaws as well as the form. And that's it; it's that simple. That's all I discovered. I'm just a... a guy who saw a crack in a chair that no one else could see. I'm that dog who saw a rainbow, only none of the other dogs believed me.

Let's confer all this intuition vs lie talk with the passing of time. Even before we learn to tell time, we do indeed grasp it is. To believe in the passing of time, a sequence of days, is not a theory or a lie, is it?

od

hevusa · 01-11-2007, 04:34 PM

This is great text:

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There are two distinct views on the meaning of time. One view is that time is part of the fundamental structure of the universe, a dimension in which events occur in sequence. This is the realist view, to which Sir Isaac Newton [1] subscribed, in which time itself is something that can be measured.
A contrasting view is that time is part of the fundamental intellectual structure (together with space and number) within which we sequence events, quantify the duration of events and the intervals between them, and compare the motions of objects. In this view, time does not refer to any kind of entity that "flows", that objects "move through", or that is a "container" for events. This view is in the tradition of Gottfried Leibniz [2] and Immanuel Kant,[3][4] in which time, rather than being an objective thing to be measured, is part of the mental measuring system. The question, perhaps overly simplified and allowing for no middle ground, is thus: is time a "real thing" that is "all around us", or is it nothing more than a way of speaking about and measuring events?

Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OhDear · 01-11-2007, 04:43 PM

Great portion you shared, Hevusa...
That said, I repeat:

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To believe in the passing of time, a sequence of days, is not a theory or a lie, is it?

What do you think? Did you believe time existed before you knew about the hour and the minute hand making their revolution around the mantle clock?

Perhaps God is just such a truth. And by one's faith, by one's belief in his existence, that one seeks him out.

Same as a science that is first built on mere hypothesis.

We gotta start somewhere.

And for another thought, God is eternal and therefore is not detected through those abilities that we have that are limited by time and space. That is why reason conflicts with faith.

And though I am Christian, I find it absurd of men like Frances Collins to try to merge the two, as if to exonerate his beliefs in the scientific community and to do justify his reasoning to the faith community.

It is a humble thing, but I believe that faith makes for the appearance of cognitive dissonance, and truly we are as believers, fools for the sake of Christ.

OD

hevusa · 01-11-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

Great portion you shared, Hevusa...
That said, I repeat:

What do you think? Did you believe time existed before you knew about the hour and the minute hand making their revolution around the mantle clock?

Perhaps God is just such a truth. And by one's faith, by one's belief in his existence, that one seeks him out.

Same as a science that is first built on mere hypothesis.

We gotta start somewhere.

And for another thought, God is eternal and therefore is not detected through those abilities that we have that are limited by time and space. That is why reason conflicts with faith.

And though I am Christian, I find it absurd of men like Frances Collins to try to merge the two, as if to exonerate his beliefs in the scientific community and to do justify his reasoning to the faith community.

It is a humble thing, but I believe that faith makes for the appearance of cognitive dissonance, and truly we are as believers, fools for the sake of Christ.

OD

I didn't really consider time until I was taught how to tell it.

I think you are grasping at straws with the God/Truth thing. The only truth we know about God is that it is just an idea or opinion. There is no way to know if God is or is not in the first place past faith.

OhDear · 01-11-2007, 04:55 PM

Yes, that is why it is called faith, Hevusa.

But whether one knows or believes something, doesn't make that object of either knowledge or faith, true or false.

And as knowing and faith are both means to perception, neither can be counted as lying.

OD

hevusa · 01-11-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

Yes, that is why it is called faith, Hevusa.

But whether one knows or believes something, doesn't make that object of either knowledge or faith, true or false.

And as knowing and faith are both means to perception, neither can be counted as lying.

OD

Something derived from faith is not knowledge. It is purely subjective.