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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 01-01-2007, 07:14 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Are you very certain JayD that the comma separating male prostitutes from homosexuals was written by God, or did man put it in there?

Do you know how many times when I have done editing, I have gotten carried away with commas?

I think the key word is in the last sentence. "None" of these will share in the kingdom. It is what it is.


And formerly in the text of your post, you wrote this:

Do you fundamentally believe that after the flood, angels were able to even have sex with humans?

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Im not sure if they were still able to have sex with humans, but I know that it wasnt why they were there.

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Old 01-01-2007, 07:27 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Interesting.
My Bible doesn't use the word 'homosexual' - it uses the word 'pederast.'
I also find it interesting the word 'male' preceeds prostitutes. Do you think that this means that female prostitutes are acceptable? Or, like me, do you believe that this wording is used specifically to condemn the (very common) ritual of male prostitution in the temples?


When in doubt regarding translation, go to the New international version. Its by far the most accurate known. The wording is clear. He is condeming both homosexual sex, and male prostitution. It seems to me the bible is the only book people read, were all of a sudden commas dont count, or words suddenly dont mean what they mean. It is what it is.

The first thing condemed in that vs is sexual sin. That covers female prostitution just fine I think.
Old 01-01-2007, 07:37 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Bullshit. Are you subject to your boss? Yes. Does that make your boss better than you? No. Just another case of your poor comprehension skills. I find this quite often among homos. I don't know if it is comes with being a homo or if you just choose to not think things through or research them so you can keep your mind from receiving the truth. I prefer to think the latter. I just see more evidence of the reprobate mind.

Paul also states we are all one in Christ in Ephesians. He states there is no Jew, Greek, male or female. Whe he means we are all equal and the same. In the Christian family, the man is the head. That is Christian doctrine. That does not make him "better". You better study the entire bible and not just pick and choose the ones you think favor your thinking becuase they don't if anyone really studies the scripture. I love it when homos use the bible. Come on bible scholar.

alias, seriously brother, you gotta relax. No one is going to see your light, when you talk to them like that.

Anyway your right, God said for women to obey her husband as we are to obey Christ himself. But thats only half the story. It also says for men to love there wives as Christ loves the Church. Without both, there will not be harmony in there marrage. Hence the divorce rate today.
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I CORINTHIANS 6:9-10

It is amazing the number of times that you will see the word "sodomite" or "homosexual" or "pervert" in different translations concerning this text. It is amazing because no one knows exactly what the words of the original text mean! The layperson, unfortunately, has no way of knowing that interpreters are guessing as to the exact meaning of these words. Pastors and laypersons often have to rely upon the authority of those who have written lexicons (dictionaries explaining the meaning of words) of Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic words. The authors of scriptural lexicons search for the meaning of the word within the scriptures themselves and also go outside of scripture and research literature written around the same time the scriptures were written. If the interpreter is already prejudiced against homosexuality they can translate these words as condemning homosexual sex even based upon little usage of that word in the Scriptures and little if any contemporaneous usage of that word.

The truth is that the word some translators "transform" into "sodomite/homosexual/pervert" in I Corinthians 6:9-10 is actually TWO words. Some translators combine them because they "think" they go together but they DO NOT KNOW. This uncertainty is reflected in the fact that other translators keep the words separate and translate them "effeminate" and "abusers of themselves with mankind".

The two words in the original Greek are "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai". Malakoi is a very common Greek word. It literally means "soft". It is used in Matthew 11:7-18 and Luke 7:24-25 in reference to soft clothing. Scholars have to look at material outside of the Bible in order to try and figure out just what this means. The early church Fathers used the word to mean someone who was "weak" or "soft" in their morals and from the time of the reformation to the 20th century it was usually interpreted as masturbation. In Greek this word never is applied to gay people or homosexual acts in general. "No new textual data effected the twentieth-century change in translation of this word: only a shift in popular morality. Since few people any longer regard masturbation as the sort of activity which would preclude entrance to heaven, the condemnation has simply been transferred to a group still so widely despised that their exclusion does not trouble translators or theologians." (See Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality, John Boswell, University of Chicago Press, 1980, page 105-107) "Arsenokoitai" is discussed in the next section as it is found here and in I Timothy 1:8-11.

Note: Greek contained no word which compares to the English noun "homosexual" meaning someone of homosexual orientation. In fact the word "homosexual" (meaning someone of homosexual orientation) was not even coined until the late 1800'S by German psychologists, and introduced into English only at the beginning of the 1900's. (See Christianity, Social Tolerance, and homosexuality, John Boswell, University of Chicago Press, 1980, page 42) However, during scriptural times there were a number of Greek words to describe homosexual sex acts and the two words "malakois" and "arsenokoitai" do not appear among them (on "arsenokoitai" see Boswell, pp 345-346.) [2]

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Tristan,

Are you a homosexual, who believes in the bible? Please dont take this as a attack, Im honestly just curious.
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I'm gay.

I believe that the words of Jesus give us a good, compassionate, loving, generous, rewarding and enriching way of life.

I believe the Bible is filled with good stories, parables and metaphors for living a "good" life.

If you mean, do I believe that Jonah was swallowed by a whale, that 6000 years ago the earth was covered by a flood, that bats are birds, that God would find eating lobster an abomination, that Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt, or that man was created as we are today as opposed to evolution - no.
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What homosexual males do to 'make love' is an abominable, disgusting act. Anyone who feels otherwise has been indoctrinated by liberal media 'news', and/or has had an inadequate religious education.
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and just what do homosexual males do?

(I assume, from your post, you think that homosexual females are okay?)
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Why do I have to explain this? I don't write pornography. If female homosexuals are 'imitating' this, it is equally wrong.
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so, you just want to make blanket statements and claims which are an attempt to denigrate others - but feel that you are too delicate to explain what you mean?

very interesting sense of right and wrong.

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imitating what?
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