Mathew 25

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Rev 20

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20


13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The Bible refers to the fate of the unsaved with such fearful words as the following:
“Shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2)
“Everlasting punishment” (Matthew 25:46)
“Weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 24:51)
“Fire unquenchable” (Luke 3:17)
“Indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish” (Romans 2:8,9)
“Everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord” (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
“Eternal fire...the blackness of darkness for ever” (Jude 7,13)
Revelation 14:10,11 tells us the final, eternal destiny of the sinner: “He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone...the smoke of their torment ascended up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day or night."

You cant just make the bible say what you want it to say, and ignore all the rest

Neither can you Jay and don't attempt to twist my words.

For you are also outside the gate. No worldly flesh shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. For Heaven is God's throne and we are living at the footstool.

Jesus said, "Two will be grinding at the mill, one shall be taken." Can you answer me this, which one is taken? For if you know not the answer to that question, you merely speak as a man of the world.

Not one walking this earth is more important than the other. Only that son of perdition is lost. Discern which part of you rules your heart. For the Lord He knows mine.

God is sovereign, and ultimately and for all eternity, His will will prevail. And what is His will? A forever judgement, or a judgement that brings reconciliation of man to Himself, we know the answer, we see the cross!

But to know just as much, God is a consuming fire, to know that even when Moses went up Sinai, there were limits set for the fire of God not to consume the people. Even Moses was not given a full and frontal view of the glory of God...why?

The God who is love and wills none should perish, we are hid with Christ in Him.

Hid from what?

And what of those who are not?

Is God not to them radiant in righteousness and judgment? His glorious fire.

What does fire do? Purify? Purge?

Jesus Christ the same, yesterday today and forever.

The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the World...when does He stop being the Savior?

Will there be a place severed from the presence of God forever and ever? How then in Adam all die, and in Christ all live and He is all in all...how is that victory extolled when some He died for would not live, would not know His being their all, ultimately in them?

Would not a shorted reconciliation of mankind be an affront to His word, to His work, to the plan and purpose of God?

Or will death itself, destruction itself be thrown into the fire and when the cinders and the ash settle, what will there be?

Didn't even God tell the Hebrew exiles to return and use the charred stones to build the temple?

Will God do any less in building that forever living temple?

How does anyone reconcile this in the Word, in your relationship with God, with the revelation of His eternal purpose and forever omni-attributes, and with the sure victory of Jesus Christ...

If There is an Eternal Hell populated by a spiritaully dead people...then how is death swallowed up in victory and how is the last enemy of God, death, defeated?

Isn't this of his last enemy destroyed a promise and from our Great God who is total veracity?

This is about God's ultimate victory!

Again, is there an ultimate victory for God spoken of in the Word that included the maintaining of an eternal people spiritually dead?

Is there a victory of God by having sent His only begotten Son to reconcile the world to Himself, if the world be not reconciled to Him in totality?

Is there a victory for God in either punishing forever or annihilating those that He created in His own image or is there a possible reconciliation spoken of in the Word that time, tradition and church dogma has obscured?

I am asking God to reconcile something for me, and that being the sum total of His Word and what His message is regarding the destiny of all people.


This is not about denying a judgement or the justice of God, this is not about denying the fear of the Lord. This is not turning God into some cuddly buddy.

This is not a departure from the revelation of salvation found by grace through faith and that in the finished work of Christ...it is a seeking to know how huge is that victory I so want to be His.

This is not about a departure from knowing, loving and worshipping Jesus the Son of God who suffered immeasurably for every person and did rise again in triumph over the grave.

This is not about a departure from the great commision and the gospel-telling mission that is ours to accomplish here and now for the saving of souls.

This is only to ask where and when and how is God getting all, and share that belief that it is His to have and to hold complete and uncompromised victory...and what is victory if man's will has been made of eternal import to the negating of His will that none should perish.

It is about all His enemies being defeated, death being the last. Man must be free from death. And when that death is defeated, swallowed up then death no longer holds man down, as his spirit flies to His Maker.

...how is the only true God getting all that is His to have? How does one look at death as an enemy of God destroyed and yet continuing?

How does one look at the Son of God who submitted in obedience to the Father to die for all mankind and that even as it says that God reconciling the World to Himself, if in fact somewhere in eternity ahead that not be what indeed is known?

And how does one know that Christ be all in all, if there is a never ending place of torment where Christ be withheld, and not there be in all?

This to me is that the Lord is ministering to me a certain meeting place between that which is I think called Calvinism and then the other thought called something with an A about the free will of man. I believe that there is a meeting place of those two thoughts even as Christ is the Elect. It is Him, it is His. All glory to Jesus who deserves the highest praise and the uttermost triumph! And He is that One Man, the perfect man whose will is the synergy of God and man.

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

The word swear in every tongue doing exactly that is meaning in the Hebrew to make allegiance to.

I long for that moment when that which I hope for, that happy and all inclusive throng of every soul ever given life joining in the chorus of praise and allegiance to our loving King and faithful friend: Jesus the Savior of All Mankind.

A JumpStart on The Partay!!!

OD

Very good thoughts OD
A childs song for anyone still stranded is the dust of the earth and wondering. Simple words to consider. He's Still Workin' On Me

What I don't understand is how an endlessly compassionate, loving, and forgiving god could cast his children into eternal punishment for sins that, in a world as fleeting and fragile as the world, are pale in comparison to other, more serious crimes. So somebody is a homosexual? Others have raped, murdered, stolen, and caused mayhem. Are they really all the same? More importantly, why would sinners, already repentant and changed by purifying fire, be further tormented needlessly?

antithesis, you feel exactly the way I do about it.

Following is a letter to the editor that ran last election season...it addresses your comments.

The Ten Commandments are, supposedly, God's demands of a good Christian (well, actually a good Jew, but…). These are, presumably, the uber-sins - the real biggies - the big kahunas of sin.

There are many Christian zealots who even want these Ten Commandments to be carved in stone and placed on public property - in front of court houses and town halls, etc.

One would THINK they took these commandments quite seriously.

However, I have never read of a group of religious Christian zealots in government who want to legislate against breaking the sabbath.

I have not seen congressmen and senators get onto the floors of the legislature and endorse adulterers be denied the right to marry - nor be sent to jail (or internment camps) nor denied housing, employment and/or marriage rights.

I have YET to hear a single good solid God-fearing Jesus-loving Christian get up at a school board meeting and support the stoning of children who disrespect their parents.

I don't know any legislator who wants to deny the right to marry of those have "put other gods before" the Christian God.

Yet - somehow - they feel that three or four small verses that some believe are about contemporary gay couples are enough to spend BILLIONS of dollars on court cases and legislation. Enough to waste millions and millions of hours of American citizens' time, debating, reading, demonstrating, etc. against equal rights for gays - all in the name of 'sin.'

WHY do they not feel the Ten Commandments - those big kahunas of Sin - are not worthy of even the SMALLEST attention (well - away from Sunday mornings in church - if they even attend)?

Can you GENUINELY believe that these people are concerned about SIN - when what God obviously thought were the most important sins go unremarked upon.

It's obvious - it's about bigotry and prejudice. Period.

They don't give a hang about what is/isn't 'sin.' They simply use it as a validation (well, EXCUSE really) to dehumanize and devalue and denigrate and demonize gays publically.

They don't even have any interest in TRYING to make laws against breaking the actual Ten Commandments. Those same commandments that they feel taxpayers should pay for and have carved in stone and placed on courthouse steps.

How do you spell hypocrisy?

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