Gender Differences in the Creation of Man - Page 8

01-17-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

JayD, I am not gonna attempt to dissuade you from what you need to believe to live your life as you ought.
Its not what I need to believe. Heck I would love it if every got a free ride. It would save me alot of stress and time if we are all going anyway. He wouldnt need me to spread the word at all. Heck, why would he have commanded me to do that in the first place?

There are Biblical Passages that present a very serious problem to what you believe,
And many more that present a serious problem to what you believe
I cited those in earlier posts. You would rather skirt those to hang on to the thought of eternal torment for those who do not believe as you,
I posted many scriptures, that you didnt respond to at all.
Believe as me? OD, Im not telling you your going to hell. I just believe what the bible says, believe on him and you will be saved. Why would it bother to say that if in fact you dont need to believe anything?

skirt those to believe that your faith has earned you something. I respect that.

No you dont, nor is it true. If you believe that about me, you got me ALL wrong. Where have I said its anything but the grace of God to claim salvation? He's the one who told us we must believe to be saved, and you know this.
But for me, I consider the character of God and the supreme sacrifice of Christ, and the many verses I already shared with gladness here...
And ignored many that didnt swim with the current.
I think, hmmm, what is it to come short of the glory of God? To miss the mark?
Everyone misses the mark. The is no rightious among us. But if you believe on him, he will cover your debt. If this isnt so, whos names wont be found in the book of life, and be cast in to the lake of fire.
And I am very certain that when Jesus came to take away the sin of the world, when God was reconciling the world to Himself through Christ, when Jesus died once FOR ALL, He did not fall short.
Believe on Christ Jesus and you will be saved. Why did they even bother saying things like that? If your right, than this statment is untrue. He should have said, you need to do nothing, the lord has your back no matter what.
I think, Hmmm, why would anyone whimsically call God sovereign, for that is all that they can be is whimsical with such a word as that, if they believe it IS His will that none perish and yet his will will not be done, that man will have in many many lives a greater will?
Gods will isnt done on this earth everyday. Is it Gods will for children to starve? Or be murdered? He lets our will rule this earth everyday, against his. So lets not pretend we are bound by Gods will, take a look around. He gave us free will, and is very serious about letting us exorsize it.

And how do those same folk throw around doctrines and words like unlimited atonement, and grace, if they do again, shorten their meanings to suit their religious notions that detract from the awesome and matchless work of the Savior.

Its not that they shortened it, its that you extended it. All he wants is for people to just believe in him
The whole point of Jesus coming was to satisfy the justice of God. That has been accomplished. In Christ.
Worship him, Jay. Without any shred of doubt in his purpose to reconcile all mankind to himself, without any shred of doubt that He did it victoriously.
Regardless what he has to say about it?
Or continue to believe as you do, but know there are many who will not make the blood of Christ anemic with fundamental doctrines that even the history of the church bears out were not embraced in her first 500 years.
God bless you either way,
OD
I speak of no doctrine, Just the bibles truth. I represent no denomination, just the bibles truth. One more time I'll ask, who are "those not found in the book of life, were cast into the lake of fire"

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OhDear · 01-17-2007, 12:17 PM

JayD,
Let me start out joking with ya, okay? You always come back with your comments in red letters...nearly like the words of Jesus, huh?

Now I did supply you with links that address your doctrinal stance about the Lake of Fire and other such stuff...but are you answering my questions to you?

How is it that the recorded "last enemy of God" death is to be swallowed up in victory if it continues? For what is death but separation from God, the Giver and Sustainer of Life.? Jesus the way the truth and THE LIFE!
And what victory would it be for the Savior to hear the mingled voices of every mouth confessing His Lordship with the screams of the never-ending terror of death?

I am also very sorry that you feel it is pointless to bring good news to folk, news of God's perfect love. And yet you did instead carry as a burden a message that you believe must be spread that God gives folk a choice between heaven and hell.

Me, I love witnessing the gospel of Jesus! Not man's choice but God's choice! Mercy triumphs over judgment! Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! To me it is truly GOOD NEWS and more fun to share with folk! And to share it is a way to help others to know that God truly is love and victorious in His purpose to save mankind. And I find more people effectively live Christ from a sense of security in his unconditional love than they do in all that fear laden crud of fundapathic mindset.

I find it fascinating JayD that you would as you say, "Love it if everyone got a free ride" and yet, doesn't that make your love of greater capacity than the love of the God you claim to serve?

OD

FrednTexas · 01-17-2007, 01:15 PM

I really hate to interrupt this discussion, but I read both links provided in the beginning, OD. Thank you for that, and the second one provides a view point I'd never heard, and found to be refreshing.

A few things, though. In the beginning, man was called "Ish," which is, I guess Sumerian. Remember, Hebrew hadn't been invented yet. Anyway, Moses tells us that the original names were Ish, and Isha, which means "Man," and "Of Man," or "Not Man." respectively. These words translate through Hebrew, "Udam," to German, English, and whatever to what we have now, "Adam, and Eve." Just an interesting side-bar, there.

If Adam's womb was removed, then planted into Eve, then what about his first wife, Lillith? According to Rabbinical legend, Adam had a wife, Lillith, who sinned and was expunged from the garden. God then gave him Eve. When Eve failed the test as well, Adam decided to stay with her rather than face the heartache of being alone, again. Did Adam have two wombs? Was Lillith Eve's mother? That may be, that sort of thing was known to have happened in the OT.

Just a question, I wanted to see what you thought.

jaaaman · 01-17-2007, 01:21 PM

OhDear, JayD is trying to tell you that getting into heaven is not a free ride... it is earned through the free gift of salvation in Christ Jesus... by believing on His name that He died for the sins of the world and your sins, confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Scripture also tells us that there 'will be many that say Lord! Lord!' but will be turned away, for their names are not in the Book of Life and the Lord did not know them.

OhDear · 01-17-2007, 01:32 PM

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Scripture also tells us that there 'will be many that say Lord! Lord!' but will be turned away, for their names are not in the Book of Life and the Lord did not know them.

from Jaaman.

Jaaman, isn't it a shame that you are sad (from the sad smiley, I gather you are) about something you believe is the plan and work of God? If you really believe that is God's plan, to send other folk to a place of eternal torment, why not be happy about it?

OD

OhDear · 01-17-2007, 01:34 PM

Fred says

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Just a question, I wanted to see what you thought.

I will get back to you on that, so that I really do THINK about it first!

OD

jaaaman · 01-17-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

from Jaaman.

Jaaman, isn't it a shame that you are sad (from the sad smiley, I gather you are) about something you believe is the plan and work of God? If you really believe that is God's plan, to send other folk to a place of eternal torment, why not be happy about it?

OD

I am sad that there are many who will not make it to the Kingdom of God because they did not believe on His name that He died for the sins of the world, confessed with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and believed in their hearts that God raised Him from the dead. That is what is sad OhDear.

I myself am very excited and eagerly anticipating meeting Jesus (when that time comes) and spending eternity in Heaven.

OhDear · 01-17-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jaaaman

I am sad that there are many who will not make it to the Kingdom of God because they did not believe on His name that He died for the sins of the world, confessed with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and believed in their hearts that God raised Him from the dead. That is what is sad OhDear.

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Originally Posted by jaaaman

I myself am very excited and eagerly anticipating meeting Jesus (when that time comes) and spending eternity in Heaven.

If that makes you sad, don't you suppose it would make Jesus even more sad, considering that he came to do the work so that no one would be excluded, but all would be reconciled to God The Father?

Or do you think that Jesus fell short of the glory of God and did not get the job done in its totality. The mission he was sent to accomplish.

I don't know about being excited for self being saved...if others aren't. Do you ever suffer from "survivor's guilt" then?

OD

jaaaman · 01-17-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

If that makes you sad, don't you suppose it would make Jesus even more sad, considering that he came to do the work so that no one would be excluded, but all would be reconciled to God The Father?

Or do you think that Jesus fell short of the glory of God and did not get the job done in its totality. The mission he was sent to accomplish.

I don't know about being excited for self being saved...if others aren't. Do you ever suffer from "survivor's guilt" then?

OD

OhDear, I will repeat again what I have been saying...that getting into heaven is not a free ride... it is earned through the free gift of salvation in Christ Jesus... by believing on His name that He died for the sins of the world and your sins, confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in your heart that God raised Him from the dead.

Scripture tells us that there will be many that will not be reconciled to God because He did not know them and will be turned away, as their names are not in the Book of Life. That is what Scripture says. I will not add anymore to it... it says what it says in black and white. All I can do is pray that you will come to understand this Scriptural content and to except the free gift of salvation in Christ Jesus.

OhDear · 01-17-2007, 02:01 PM

Jaaman,

1) I DO emphatically accept the free gift of God's salvation! And that only through the grace of God! The cross of Christ Jesus! What did you think I was believing???

Please, do not confuse Jesus and hell. Just cos I do not believe in hell, you conclude I don't believe in Jesus? Yikes!!!

2) How is it that you say "free gift" and then say "earn"? That would give me a splitting headache...

OD

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