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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 01-11-2007, 04:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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That's only according to YOU. But, again, what YOU consider wrong, somebody else will consider right. Therefore, it becomes neutral.

The Muslims in Southern Sudan think they are doing the right thing, don't they?
Hitler believed he was doing the right thing, didn't he?
Bush believed he was doing the right thing when he invaded Iraq, didn't he?

Who are you to sit in moral judgment? You are YOU to say that one is right and the other is wrong?

You are making yourself out to be god - and you claim nobody can know whether god (or any number of gods) exists!


You need to take Philosophy 101, my friend. Or take it again - and don't go to class stoned this time...
Sounds like you just described a religious war to me.
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Old 01-11-2007, 05:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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That's only according to YOU. But, again, what YOU consider wrong, somebody else will consider right. Therefore, it becomes neutral.

The Muslims in Southern Sudan think they are doing the right thing, don't they?
Hitler believed he was doing the right thing, didn't he?
Bush believed he was doing the right thing when he invaded Iraq, didn't he?

Who are you to sit in moral judgment? You are YOU to say that one is right and the other is wrong?

You are making yourself out to be god - and you claim nobody can know whether god (or any number of gods) exists!


You need to take Philosophy 101, my friend. Or take it again - and don't go to class stoned this time...
Here's a bit of philosophy, my own personal beliefs in doing what is right.

"Playing god" is a ridiculous notion, because everybody does it in one form or another. You interpret your beliefs to be correct, as I do with my more firm ones and others do with theirs. No one person believes exactly the same thing as the other. Some people like apples, some do not. By interpreting your beliefs in a different way, you assume that is god's will, but somebody else does it too. In fact, the whole WORLD does it.

Agnostics and atheists see it a bit differently. Because the notion of a god is unknowable or irrational, we are our own masters, and as such, we prescribe ourselves with a code of ethics, a way to treat others the way we wish to be treated. A sense of goodwill exists with humans as does hatred and greed, because we, as highly intelligent beings, are detached from pure animalistic savagery and hold ourselves to higher standards than the ability to survive.

Whether there is a god is still unconfirmed, but it is known that we are here, on earth, and we ony have a few years to live, so it's my belief that we should make everybody reasonably content here on earth, meaning strive for justice, peace, and prosperity for everyone.
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Sounds like you just described a religious war to me.
No, what I just described what happens when people decide that the "point" of what is right and wrong is nothing more than what suits them.
Old 01-12-2007, 08:38 AM   #24 (permalink)
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What people of faith always seem to forget is that every, and any, idea one can conceive about God is merely a theory or opinion. There is no truth past that point...

Then they try to argue moral and ethical points of view using their theory as the basis for logic.

Insane!


So you feel the same way about the Koran? Just a theory, and opinion?
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Here's a bit of philosophy, my own personal beliefs in doing what is right.

"Playing god" is a ridiculous notion, because everybody does it in one form or another.
So then what about it is rediculas?

You interpret your beliefs to be correct, as I do with my more firm ones and others do with theirs. No one person believes exactly the same thing as the other.
Thats not true at all. I know many who believe exactly as I do.

Some people like apples, some do not. By interpreting your beliefs in a different way, you assume that is god's will, but somebody else does it too. In fact, the whole WORLD does it.

But there can only be one truth, at the most. Do you denie that?
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So then what about it is rediculas?

It's not ridiculous in its practice, but rather in that it is frowned upon.

Thats not true at all. I know many who believe exactly as I do.


Irregardless of who believes what, differences of opinion exist, and it is impossible to choose one out of tens of thousands, or possibly millions. Neither a minorit nor a majority can simply impose their own beliefs and call them truth, because there have been, still are, and will be in the future ideas which are assumed to be true despite a lack of evidence proving or disproving them.

But there can only be one truth, at the most. Do you denie that?


No, but we don't know what that truth is, so we can't just assume that our ideas are automatically correct. For all we know we haven't yet discovered the one true faith.
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So then what about it is rediculas?

It's not ridiculous in its practice, but rather in that it is frowned upon.

Thats not true at all. I know many who believe exactly as I do.


Irregardless of who believes what, differences of opinion exist, and it is impossible to choose one out of tens of thousands, or possibly millions. Neither a minorit nor a majority can simply impose their own beliefs and call them truth, because there have been, still are, and will be in the future ideas which are assumed to be true despite a lack of evidence proving or disproving them.

But there can only be one truth, at the most. Do you denie that?


No, but we don't know what that truth is, so we can't just assume that our ideas are automatically correct. For all we know we haven't yet discovered the one true faith.
Unbelievable!

The TRUTH is that you expect people to ascribe to your view of the TRUTH while saying there is no universal truth.

YOU expect people to abide by YOUR rules while saying there are no universal rules!


Too funny!
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Unbelievable!

The TRUTH is that you expect people to ascribe to your view of the TRUTH while saying there is no universal truth.

YOU expect people to abide by YOUR rules while saying there are no universal rules!


Too funny!
Believe it or not, I have conservative friends who disagree with my views, but I don't try (aggresively ) to change their beliefs. If they don't like my ideas, it's their choice what to believe. I'm not forcing anybody to believe anything.

I accept what I view as the most logical and reasonable, which doesn't mean that my ideas are perfect. That's why I try not to be hypocritical, but it slips out every once in a while. That's how it is with most people.

If I forced everyone to believe what I do, I'd be hanging KKK members by their feet and beating them with bats.

What about you, Mr. Right? Everything you say truth, like you're some kind of prophet?
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Scientists Discover That The "laws Of Nature" Are Not Quite Laws!
Scientists are finding that some of the "laws" are not carved in stone. What they are saying is that their assumptions of "laws" are possibly flawed.

Imagine if, the one thing we take for granted, electricity, stopped working as we know it. This is not totally impossible based on some of these new concepts.

The world, as we know it could change dramatically.

WOULD IT BE SUCH A BAD THING?
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No it wouldn't, because without electricity, there would be no Jefferson roaming online forums spreading his bigotry.

j/p, Jeff.
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