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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 01-12-2007, 12:32 PM   #111 (permalink)
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You do understand that this is not new - right? You do understand that there have been various articles and reporting about this in the past 15 years - right? You do realize that nobody has broken any laws - right? You do realize that, with the exception of a few ultra-conservative cohorts, who would think it was "wrong" if a gay person found the cure for cancer, your rantings make you look like a mental defective - right?

Your a lier. We all are at some point. But your lies put people at risk, ahh never mind.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:37 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Yes, absolutely! The Red Cross was DISCRIMINATING AGAINST ME!
Of course, I call it screening, and for good reason.
But I'm sure that if I was gay, I'd call it DISCRIMINATION!
I don't know why, but you have a ridiculously absurd phobia when it comes to that word.
You freak out about it. And it really baffles me.
In this country, we legally discriminate against pedophiles, rapists, women, men, the handicapped, etc, etc, etc...
Some of it is good.
Some of it is bad.

Your objection is primarily to the word "discrimination", which quite frankly I don't put any real credence to.
In the phrase "unjustified discrimination", it is the word UNJUSTIFIED which is the focal point. "Discrimination" is just a noun that is accurate.


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And what's REALLY INTERESTING is that you yourself admitted that SOME DISCRIMINATION IS ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED.
At times you come off as rational.
At other times, you come off as a complete idiot.

I HAVE ALWAYS held that some discrimination is entirely justified.
My focus is on discussing the JUSTIFICATION of the discrimination involved.

But as usual, you react like something I said is a light of revelation because you haven't even bothered to realize what I have ACTUALLY been talking about all along.
You do that WAYYYYY too much.


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Hmmmm... let's chew on the beautiful irony of that statement for a few moments!
The irony here is in your pretense that my statement has irony.
I have ALWAYS focused on the JUSTIFICATION for the discrimination.

Can you name me ANY time where all I did was say that discrimination existed, and just because of its existence it must end???
Never mind. You'll never even make it this far into my post to comprehend what I'm actually saying.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:43 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I suspect that black women are asked the same questions. The issue isn't black women, it's the lying. Lying that could leave innocent people at risk, and then telling everyone and then, on top of that, rationalizing it. Rationalizing it by using black women is pretty low. I'm certain the Red Cross asks certain questions of everyone. HIV/AIDS is not the only risk. There are lots of other STD's as well and hepatitis.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:44 PM   #114 (permalink)
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I don't know why, but you have a ridiculously absurd phobia when it comes to that word.
You freak out about it. And it really baffles me.
In this country, we legally discriminate against pedophiles, rapists, women, men, the handicapped, etc, etc, etc...
Some of it is good.
Some of it is bad.

Your objection is primarily to the word "discrimination", which quite frankly I don't put any real credence to.
In the phrase "unjustified discrimination", it is the word UNJUSTIFIED which is the focal point. "Discrimination" is just a noun that is accurate.

At times you come off as rational.
At other times, you come off as a complete idiot.

I HAVE ALWAYS held that some discrimination is entirely justified.
My focus is on discussing the JUSTIFICATION of the discrimination involved.

But as usual, you react like something I said is a light of revelation because you haven't even bothered to realize what I have ACTUALLY been talking about all along.
You do that WAYYYYY too much.

The irony here is in your pretense that my statement has irony.
I have ALWAYS focused on the JUSTIFICATION for the discrimination.

Can you name me ANY time where all I did was say that discrimination existed, and just because of its existence it must end???
Never mind. You'll never even make it this far into my post to comprehend what I'm actually saying.
You've played into the little trap EXACTLY as I knew you would!

Yes, gays are discriminated against by the American Red Cross. But here's the key: THEY HAVE VERY JUST AND MEDICALLY SOUND REASONS FOR DOING SO.

*1% of the American population - gays - has 48% of all the AIDS/HIV cases.
*It is proven fact that, as a whole, homosexuals are promiscuous and average MANY sexual partners over their lifetime. Therefore, your chances are contacting AIDS is exponentially higher than other people.
*It is medically proven fact that the HIV/AIDS virus can lie undetected for up to 3 years.

THIS is the reason gays are discriminated against by the American Red Cross. IT IS FOR PUBLIC HEALTH REASONS, YOU DUMB-ASS.

1% of the American population has 48% of all HIV/AIDS. This is a no-brainer.
Old 01-12-2007, 12:45 PM   #115 (permalink)
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I have misrepresented nothing.
The point is that the correlation to "gay" people is primarily a United States phenomenon. Not inherent to gays at all.

WTF are you talking about?

How do I know you don't bang hookers 7 nights a week?
How do I know you don't shoot up?

"not knowing" is hardly a good reason for justifying discrimination.

Your right, not knowing is not a good reason. Statistical odds however is.

How can you see that your first sentence there is complete b.s. ??
Would you walk up to a black man and tell him that he represents 53% of the murderers in the U.S.?
How about if a woman walked up to you (assuming you're male) and told you that you represented 91% of the murderers in the United States?

Your blind stereo-typing is amazing.
Ahh, back to the race and gender comparisions hu? Not even close to the same thing.


It's funny how your response is to pretend that you are talking people out of harms way by ignoring my personal situation, and relying on a small minority representation of gays.

What small minority? Gays represent 48% of people with aids. Thats ALOT OF PEOPLE.



What percentage of gays actually have HIV?
Did you ever do the math?

I dont know. But I would love to find out. But not from some pro gay site, that has obvious bias.

And I don't believe you ever answered another question.
Blacks ALSO have a "HUGE" factor.
Should we prohibit blacks from donating blood?
Possibly only black women?

If public health officals claimed that to be a public health risk, then absolutly. But your point is moot, cause there not.

"During 2005, 49% of all new HIV diagnoses and 50% of new AIDS diagnoses were in black people."
AIDS & HIV Statistics for USA by race and ethnicity


Stop avoiding the issue and answer the question.
Should black people be allowed to donate???

Why will nobody answer this question?

When the CDC comes out and says that this is the public health risk, then of course. But again, they havent. I dont give a rats ass, who's feeling get hurt. Wether its Blacks, gays, whity, ect ect, if giving blood posses more of a risk then a solution, common sense tells us to just say no.
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I suspect that black women are asked the same questions. The issue isn't black women, it's the lying. Lying that could leave innocent people at risk, and then telling everyone and then, on top of that, rationalizing it. Rationalizing it by using black women is pretty low. I'm certain the Red Cross asks certain questions of everyone. HIV/AIDS is not the only risk. There are lots of other STD's as well and hepatitis.
BINGO!!!

A black woman who is actively engaging in sex, with multiple partners, should NOT be allowed to give blood to the American Red Cross. ABSOLUTELY NOT!

And the reason is EXACTLY the same reason that SEXUALLY ACTIVE HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GIVE BLOOD TO THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.


Homosexuals can cry-baby all day long about it being discriminatory. And it is. But it's also smart. It's also for public health reasons.
Old 01-12-2007, 12:49 PM   #117 (permalink)
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How I wish common sense were more common.
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Old 01-12-2007, 12:50 PM   #118 (permalink)
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"During 2005, 49% of all new HIV diagnoses and 50% of new AIDS diagnoses were in black people."
AIDS & HIV Statistics for USA by race and ethnicity

Stop avoiding the issue and answer the question.
Should black people be allowed to donate???

Why will nobody answer this question?
It's a STUPID question!

No, sexually active black people - with multiple partners - should NOT be allowed to give blood to the American Red Cross, for the EXACT SAME REASONS sexually active homosexuals should not be giving blood.


It is a public health risk. It is stupid.


Are you happy now?
Old 01-12-2007, 01:06 PM   #119 (permalink)
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It's a STUPID question!
No, sexually active black people - with multiple partners - should NOT be allowed to give blood to the American Red Cross, for the EXACT SAME REASONS sexually active homosexuals should not be giving blood.
It is a public health risk. It is stupid.
Are you happy now?
Ecstatic.
Primarily because you included key words in your statement.

"sexually active black people"

Why did you do that?
And WHY should the same qualifier not be imposed upon gays as well?

And just for clarification, by "sexually active" do you mean just having sex, or having sex with more than one partner?
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Ecstatic.
Primarily because you included key words in your statement.

"sexually active black people"

Why did you do that?
And WHY should the same qualifier not be imposed upon gays as well?

And just for clarification, by "sexually active" do you mean just having sex, or having sex with more than one partner?
Are you a sexually active gay man?



The reason "sexually active" was included BY ME is because it's included BY THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.


So... you, like Trista, are a liar?
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