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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 02-16-2007, 10:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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What? Don't you know?

LOL

Jesus said this in the Sermon on the Mount (it's in Matthew 5-7, if you care to actually read it):

1: "Judge not, that you be not judged.
2: For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
3: Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
4: Or how can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?
5: You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

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12: So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
You forgot part of Matthew 5 - which doesn't surprise me...
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27"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'[e] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
That sounds kinda harsh now doesn't it, sweetie pie? Didn't Jesus love everything and just go around hugging people all day long? Didn't Jesus just run around telling everyone that whatever they feel like doing is okay?

Or is that just the Jesus you've created in your own mind?
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Old 02-16-2007, 10:05 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Brainwashing is what takes place at MOST Universities every day. They're nothing but a really expensive Jesus Camp.
No, education goes on in universities everyday. Just because they don't follow your skewed vision of reality doesn't mean it's brainwashing. Sorry.

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Now I didnt get to see the whole version, but that trailor had NOTHING to do with goverment. Schools teach evolution based on science, that is correct. But any scientific views (and there are MANY) that are different must be silenced. Why? I've read many many articles from a scentific view point that discredit evolution, why are these ideas not allowed to share the stage? These people are no more "brain washing" than what goes on in 8th grade and up science classes, all across the globe.
I know the clip didn't have anything to do with the government, I was referring to the entire documentary; which does show these peoples' interests in erasing the separation of church and state.

What articles? Many scientific theories are rejected because of their lack of evidence, or their insufficient amount of evidence as opposed to alternative theories. The geocentric theory of our solar system was ultimately rejected because of it's lack of evidence. Like creationism/intelligent design, the geocentric theory was propagated by religion. The evidence pointed to the heliocentric theory, and it was ultimately embraced as true...the same is happening with evolution.

Of coarse there are going to be pseudo-scientists who will reject science that goes against the grain of their preconceived religious notions on the universe. It's happened throughout history, and every time their main pool of evidence relies upon religious doctrine and faith. And equally every time, it doesn't stand up to the test of time or the test of the scientific method. "Creation scientists" are bred by evangelist movements like these, and they join the scientific community not to find objective truth but to attempt to convince everyone else of their already pre-conceived truth. It was even illustrated in the film when someone attending one of these churches said he wanted to become a 'creation scientist' and change people's minds.

When you make your conclusions before you even begin your research, and keep doing research until it conforms with your preconcieved conclusion; it's not science.

I remember seeing another program where a spokesperson for a 'creationist science' group said that the grand canyon was formed by the global flood in the bible. That just illustrates their abilities and willingness to confuse religion with science.
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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No, education goes on in universities everyday. Just because they don't follow your skewed vision of reality doesn't mean it's brainwashing. Sorry.
80+% of all college & university faculty are liberal Democrats.

Education is NOT what it taking place. Unfortunately, you're immersed in the hot water and can't see it.
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Oh, and by the way, I wasn't talking about tolerating sin, I was talking about him tolerating people, and that's really what it's all about.

Show me anywhere in the Scriptures where Jesus turned away ANYBODY, especially those whom would be considered sinners?


Mathew 10- 13-15 Have a look see.
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80+% of all college & university faculty are liberal Democrats.

Education is NOT what it taking place. Unfortunately, you're immersed in the hot water and can't see it.
LOL

If a person doesn't have deep religious conviction by the time they are in college....
Old 02-16-2007, 10:14 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Welcome my friend to a new era. Where any and everything that is Christian must be stomped out. Even in America. That type of thinking is spreading like wild fire. I wonder how long it will be before we are put in consentration camps. Though I cant see that day coming soon, I never thought I'd see this day. So I gotta wonder really how far off it is.
Your suggestion that Christians are on their way to being put in concentration camps is incorrect. Almost no one believes that Christians shouldn't be able to believe as they see fit.

Now, I admit that Christianity is getting a bad name, and it may appear to the Christian that people would want to hurt Christians. But let us examine why people look down on Christians. In my opinion, there are three reasons for this.

The first reason is illustrated in the original post of this thread: a large number of Christians reject science and go out of their way to try to disprove science. While that effort in itself may not be a bad thing, these Christians tend to use unscientific techniques, faulty reasoning, and misrepresentation of the facts in order to support conclusions that they have decided before even starting the experiment. This makes them look, quite frankly, like they are unintelligent and irrational.

Second, a large number of Christians appear hateful and intolerant. The biggest example of this is Christian intolerance of homosexuality. It makes Christians appear immoral and uncaring. Other examples include an intolerance of divorce and of other religions.

But the third reason is the most important: many Christians try to force these beliefs upon others. They want our schools to teach Christianity to non-Christian children, as though it is science. They try to ban divorce, and censor television and movies (even Harry Potter and Spongebob Squarepants). They force us to conform to a Christian lifestyle or face punishment (as with same-sex marriage).

This makes Christians appear more than just irrational, uncaring, and immoral. They appear to be actually hurting other people. And that's the real problem: you can make irrational claims that science is wrong, and you can be irrationally intolerant of other groups of people. But as soon as you start hurting others and making your religion superior to others, you've gone too far.

So you should not ever expect to see Christians put in concentration camps. People aren't trying to stop Christians from existing: they are trying to stop Christians from hurting other people.

I should mention that not all Christians do the things I described, but the ones who do give all Christians a bad name. I apologize if my evaluation of why people look down on Christianity is blunt and harsh, but I think it is important to understand how Christianity is viewed by the secular crowd and why it is viewed that way.
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Matthew 10:13-15 (King James Version)

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13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
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LOL

If a person doesn't have deep religious conviction by the time they are in college....
Non sequitur - as has been EVERY one of your posts so far.
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