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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 04-13-2007, 07:53 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Of course there are contradictions in the biblical texts - for a good overview of them, this resource is pretty good: Skeptic's Annotated Bible / Quran / Book of Mormon

They also do a Skeptic's annoted Qu'ran, just in case anyone thinks they're Christian-bashing.

The whole point about Genesis is that there are even biblical literalists who don't believe in a young Earth. It seems to be a largely American interpretation that the Earth was created in six literal days. Even if you ignore science and use the biblical texts themselves, there are a couple of obvious points here: what does the word "day" mean in the Genesis account? The Sun wasn't created until day four (the day *after* fruit trees were created, incidentally), so the usual Hebrew definition of a day as the period from sunset to sunset couldn't have applied. Secondly, Genesis is presumably talking about God's definition of "day" - which we know from Psalm 90 is "a thousand years" in human terms.

However, "a thousand" is absolutely *not* the literal interpretation. Biblical literalists need to read the *original* texts, not English translations. The word אלף is used in the original, which means "many", "a multitude", "a thousand", or "a tribe". Basically, Psalm 90 is an early version of the theory of relativity, and states that time passes at different rates for different observers according to their frame of reference. Six "days" from a God's-eye view means six times a multitude of years from a human perspective. That "multitude" could be a thousand, a billion or whatever.

My objection to creationism as shown in this museum is its sheer lack of imagination. Surely a diety who brings an entire vast Universe into being, who fine-tunes the laws of physics so that over 13 billion years a cosmos of such elegance and vastness develops unimaginable levels of complexity is far more awe-inspiring than the rather primitive Hephaestus-like god of the forge who hammers out a few planets and takes a day off? If there is a creator god, I think he or she is rather bigger and more magnificent than the one envisaged by the creationists.
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what does the word "day" mean in the Genesis account? The Sun wasn't created until day four (the day *after* fruit trees were created, incidentally), so the usual Hebrew definition of a day as the period from sunset to sunset couldn't have applied. Secondly, Genesis is presumably talking about God's definition of "day" - which we know from Psalm 90 is "a thousand years" in human terms.
I didn't know that. A lot of people take it literally, and live with the idea quite happily.
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I didn't know that. A lot of people take it literally, and live with the idea quite happily.
A lot of people believe in Santa Claus too. That doesn't make it true.
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:46 AM   #34 (permalink)
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If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God, then you believe God has guided the selection of books in the Bible and all of its translations.

Try to look for reasons to believe instead of being a doubting Thomas
Try to look for reasons to believe? What kind of backwards philosophy is that?

How about seeking the truth, whatever it may be!
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Old 04-13-2007, 09:49 AM   #35 (permalink)
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A lot of people believe in Santa Claus too. That doesn't make it true.
Truly that is so, Tad. But I feel that if people are happy and not pushy, then it really doesn't matter.

I tend to believe in a Creator initiated evolution. Keeps me happy. And gives me moments to say, "here, here" to nearly everyone.

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Personally, I have no problem with someone creating this park, but it does not fit the definition of a museum.

museum - Definitions from Dictionary.com


mu·se·um /myuˈziəm/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[myoo-zee-uhm]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun a building or place where works of art, scientific specimens, or other objects of permanent value are kept and displayed.
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I didn't know that. A lot of people take it literally, and live with the idea quite happily.


Me either. Considering it isnt true at all.
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A big fairy tale that's pretty much an established fact. Creationist arguments don't come close to disproving them. Whenever a hole in logic is present, they use "God did something we don't know" as a way to fill it in. Thus, their argument looks comprehensive, but if you really look at it, it isn't. As valuable as faith is in certain situations, when it's applied to real world reasoning it can't hold its own to science.

One doesnt need to argue for creation, to disprove evolution. It disproves its self. Well, not all of evolution, but the parts were we evolved from apes is rediculas. Established fact hu? They have you right where they want you.
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I detect a hint of sarcasm here ... Yes maam

You seem to be oversimplifying the origins of the life on Earth, according to the Theory of Evolution. Merely dismissing DNA-rich 'primordial soup' as "warm water and dirt" hardly gives strength to your counter-arguement. Ok lets talk about it. First, DNA rich primordial soup hu? Do you have any idea what you just said here? Would you really have us believe that warm water and dirt came up with a several million page list of information, (that FAR surpasses our intelligence) telling what that single cells entire history and future will be? And how did this first cell transform that DNA into working information? Thats right, it also came fully equipt with RNA. This alone is enough to see right through this theory.And Never mind all that,the first cell also had to come fully equipt with a reproductive system, digestive system, circulatory system, ect ect. All of this had to be acomplished in a few short precious hours.

Now, the bible may be nothing more than a fairy tail, meant to explain where we come from. But I fail to see how anyone can claim these theories are not in the same catagory. In fact, to take it a step further, at least the bible lines up with what we know. Intelligence cant come from non intelligence, nor can life come from non life. Its never happened in a lab, nor has it ever happened period.


You say the Theory of Evolution is a fairy tale ... on what basis do you label it as such?
Well, aside from what I've already expressed, another problem I have is the lack of fossil record for even ONE single form of transition. In ANY species. They are able to find a new dinosaur everyday from over 100 million years ago, but they cant find MILLIONS of fossils of men/ape (or any other type of living creature) from just 500,000 year ago? Come on now. They can peddle that trash some place else, cause this cats not buying it. Its a fairy tail, taken as fact in our public high schools
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Old 04-14-2007, 10:32 AM   #40 (permalink)
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One doesnt need to argue for creation, to disprove evolution. It disproves its self. Well, not all of evolution, but the parts were we evolved from apes is rediculas.
Ridiculous as in irrational or ridiculous as in contradictory with preheld notions? Think about it. Are humans and apes really that different? Sophisticated interspecies communication, social structure, aversion to murder & theft, and social hierarchy. These have all been observed in chimps alone and have been common traits in every human society since the dawn of man. The only difference is more developed intelligence on our part. Not to mention the striking vestigial, embryonic, and genetic similarities in both species.

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Established fact hu? They have you right where they want you.
And who would these people be? The evil secular scientists who hold PhDs and have evaluated & reformed the theory since before either of us were in diapers? Face it, creationism is a modern idea, created not in a quest for the truth, but simply to disprove Darwin. It's a reactionary science, which makes it a junk science because it already has an agenda and already has bias that affect the results.
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