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"* Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved." from sear's previous post
Perhaps.
But the statistics I've reviewed indicate otherwise.

It doesn't pass the smell test f6.

The U.S. is sometimes called a nation of immigrants.
Why would Blacks be more predisposed to criminal misconduct here, than in their ancestral nations?

I believe if you check the per capita incarceration rates, they're higher in the U.S. for Blacks than they are in most if not all African nations.
I haven't done that research myself. But I've read anecdotes to that effect, by those that allegedly have.
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What statistics would those be?

Addendum later: The statistics you discuss go further to prove the problem is not inherent to race than anything else. I mean by the same token, we could prove that you can't blame this on the white man because in other nations that are predominantly white, you don't see this type of racial divide on these issues.


That could have more to do with personal taste and preference for what something should "smell" like than anything else...


I don't know.
Maybe having their ancestors conked on the head and dragged over here against their will might have something to do with it...

From day one, they have typically been disadvantaged. (And that's putting it incredibly mildly...)
In the "big" picture of things, they have only recently been really granted civil rights equality. And even then, some bastard goes ahead and kills Martin Luther King...

With that said, I think a lot of that IS in the past. And it's hopefully time to move past the historical scars and move forward.


And likewise, the HIV infection rates in other countries are predominantly heterosexual.
Does that mean it's the straight man's fault when a gay man gets infected in this country?

How about the black unmarried mother birth rate?
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/t1x1797.pdf

Is that the white man going around knocking up all the black women?
I'm not trying to be a racist prick, but there IS a problem there that cannot be blamed on the white man.

And by the same token, I DO NOT think it is inherent to being black.
And quite frankly, your arguments go further to prove it is NOT inherent to being black than it does to proving it is not really happening.

Ty?

You ever see the move "Crash"? Crash (2004/I)
I think you would like it.
It gave me goose-bumps at times.

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Right. Of course the NAACP has nothing to do with race either - but that organization is OK.

Saw it and loved it. We've been trying to find the dvd for it, but they can't keep the movie stocked long enough.

Sear, I asked for your PERSONAL description of what you believed the NAACP ment when using the term 'Colored People' as their group's decision.

Not a dictionary discription, nor what dictionary you are quoting. So far, we know you see the word 'caucasian' as being a race descriptor. How does your personal feeling there apply to the term of 'colored people' then.

Secondly, your bringing up the numbers of population, crime, imprisonment, etc isn't addressing what most here are talking about.

We're talking about people being discriminated against, simply by their skin color. We're talking about how it's wrong to discriminate against one group (any minority, non-caucasian races), but yet is being allowed to happen towards another group (specifically caucasian races).

Everyone keeps talking about equality. The sad fact is that what's happening isn't equality. All that's happening now is that while society is no longer condoning discrimination against minority groups (those that were once suppressed), we're condoning the discrimination against non-minority groups instead.

If we truely believe and say that discrimination is wrong. That we shouldn't discriminate against people because of religion, gender, gender orientation, or race/ethnic reasons, then it should be applied equally to ALL groups irregardless that they may or may not belong to a minority group.

Because if we're condoning any type of racism towards any member of our society, we're not truely trying to promote equality nor treating those members as equals.

Criminal Justice (DOJ) statistics.
When N.Y. Senator Alphonse (Senator pothole) D'Amato was in office, he got the CRS to do some of my research for me.

At that time (15 years ago?) the demographic race bias in the U.S. CJ system was flagrantly obvious.
It wasn't differences of 0.0002% or some statistically insignificant variation.

It was, and I believe still is; vividly obvious systemic racial bias against dark skinned persons in the U.S.
Thus, expressions such as "driving while Black".
I'm sympathetic to this perspective.

Problem is, the reasons used to justify affirmative action in the first place, though substantially diminished, still prevail.
I absolutely do not also!

Instead, the racial bias which causes these statistically verifiable trends seem to be systemic.
Not a function of the way Blacks act.
The way Blacks are treated in the criminal justice system; at trial, at sentencing, etc.

I'm NOT asserting Blacks are inferior.
I'm indicating statistics indicate Blacks are treated as inferior; in some cases.
Oh.
If I had understood that, I would not have answered.
In the context of this thread, I believe that degree of subjectivity is both irrelevant and counterproductive.

When it comes to defining terms, I use the dictionary.
Linguistically, same thing.

BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That does not mean the NAACP, and a "Caucasian" rights group are on exactly equal moral footing.

Why not?!?!?

Because, if Blacks and Whites were historically in roughly equal numbers, with equal injustices perpetrated against them, then I'd say:

Good.
Let's go with equality then.

But it has NEVER been that way.

It wasn't primarily Whites that were found hanging from trees, by the neck, lynched to death.
It was Blacks.
We could try to qualify it, by citing anecdotes about how Black persons are more persistently disrespected in public than Whites.

But that's foolish.

What's appropriate here is objective QUANTIFICATION.

Thus the statistics I've referred to.

I invite anyone here to post stats. on racial comparisons; Black compared to White.

They can be stats on Criminal Justice.
They can be on wage disparity.
They can be on unemployment per capita.
Whatever you like.

You don't have to take my word for it.
I'm not asking anyone to do so.

I'm suggesting that YOU do the research.
YOU gather the statistics, from whatever source YOU think is appropriate.

And when you do, I'm confident you will find what I have found.
Blacks are discriminated against. And they are not yet receiving equal treatment in the U.S.
Yes AP.
"Affirmative Action". I've been banging that gong in this thread since I got here.

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