Women's Issues - Page 2

OhDear · 01-19-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlicornsPrayer

No hero work at all.

Some women shop...REEL women fish.

That is funny Ali!

Still, for me...ice fishing, the cold,cold weather...so not for me.

Though some of my best memories are of fishing with a man I love so much. A man unequal to any other. My Dad.

Remembering the simpler days of my young girlhood...

But Daddy only fished when the water was water,not ice. Then my oldest brother, he took up ice fishing, and his newly wedded wife accompanied him. A few times.

But it soon became the "guy thing" ...ice shanties and beer.
Card games, man-chat.

While the girls stayed home, crafting and knitting, tea and girl-talk.

Like stuff about best spray starch, to wax or not to wax...and of course, those men out there on the ice!!!

OhDear

OhDear · 01-20-2008, 09:10 AM

Here is an article that I think fits a Women's Issues Forum.

I like alot of the points made in this article and wonder if anyone here would like to discuss it with me.

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I'm getting pretty sick and tired of antiquated notions of chastity and purity being touted as "revolutionary." I'm sorry, folks--there's nothing cutting edge about believing that girls' moral compass resides somewhere in between her legs.

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In a recent Chicago Tribune piece on purity balls, reporter Dahleen Glanton refers to girls promising their virginities to their dads and dressing "modestly" as "controversial," a "movement" and "counterculture."
If girls and women really want to rebel against the sexified pop culture that breeds Britney Spears and The Pussycat Dolls, purity balls aren't the way. In fact, they're just more of the same. Pop culture tells women that their bodies are public property and that they have to be sexual in order to be desirable and loved. Purity balls and the like tell women that their bodies are private property (though not our own of course--our bodies belong to our fathers, husbands, and the men in our life) and that they have to be virginal in order to be desirable and loved. In either case women's sexuality belongs to everyone but women. There's nothing counter-cultural or cutting edge about that.
Glanton puts a couple of feminist quotes in her article, but seems to really buy into the notion that purity balls are revolutionary. Hell, she doesn't even seem to question that all of this moral tsk-tsking is directed only at women.

"Girls are going into marriage with 12 sexual relationships. That brings so much baggage and regret that it breaks down the marriage," said Janet Hellige, a volunteer who organizes the biannual Father-Daughter Purity Ball sponsored by The Christian Center in Peoria. "Girls have a wonderful gift to give, and we don't want them to give all of themselves away. What we want them to do is present themselves as a rose to their husband with no blemishes."

Now if that sentiment doesn't make you want to start a revolution, I don't know what will! (Ugh.)
Interestingly, it seems that the purity ball folks are starting to recognize how, well...creepy people are finding these events.

Randy Wilson, who with his wife, Lisa, founded Generations of Light, the Christian ministry in Colorado Springs that held the nation's first purity ball almost a decade ago, said he never intended to start a trend to promote abstinence, though he is pleased if girls decide to take that route on her own. "This was birthed out of our home, not the abstinence movement," said Wilson, who has five daughters and two sons. "It is a fatherhood event, not a virginity or abstinence event. We don't think it's appropriate to put that weight on the daughter's shoulders."

Oh really? That must be why Wilson had his adolescent daughters pledge their virginities to him and why he gives them a charm necklace with a tiny lock and key--he keeps the key until he can one day give it to his daughter's husband. Yeah, that's not about virginity or ownership at all.
Now, I know I've been accused of being anti-abstinence so I want to make something clear: I'm all for abstaining if that's what a gal wants to do. Obviously. But if young women are not having sex because they think they'll be damaged goods, dirty, and "blemished" otherwise--well, then that's pretty fucking problematic.
As is purity proponents calling themselves counterculture and revolutionary. The pop culture image of women and sexuality is gross, and it is likely to have girls seeking an alternative. But an alternative that judges women just as much (if not more) on their sexuality isn't really an option. A real rebellion would be teaching young women that their sexuality is their own, and that their ability to be a moral person is based on their compassion, kindness, ethics and judgment--not their hymen.

Complete article with pics HERE

OhDear

fxashun · 01-20-2008, 09:29 AM

You know me, I'll discuss it with ya.

I don't necessarily think that what is between a woman's legs is the whole of their worth, but as a person who was a man whore until I met my wife, I seriously regret sharing myself with other women. It does cheapen what I now consider a special bond.

OhDear · 01-20-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

You know me, I'll discuss it with ya.

I don't necessarily think that what is between a woman's legs is the whole of their worth, but as a person who was a man whore until I met my wife, I seriously regret sharing myself with other women. It does cheapen what I now consider a special bond.

I agree. I believe that a young woman ought not believe EVER that her virginity is what makes her PURE. And that her holding on to it, is done, cos it belongs to her father. I DO believe that purity is a character quality. And that if a father has a positive say in his daughter's life, she will have a purity that far exceeds whatever happens "between her legs"...

And yes, I believe too that the more fooling around someone does, their emotional well-being is in jeopardy. No matter how natural sex is, no matter how healthy it is...keeping the activities that are sexual as special keeps one's mental attitude healthy too. But refraining from sex ought to be done for one's self, not for one's father or future mate.

OhDear

fxashun · 01-20-2008, 09:53 AM

My wife was a virgin when we met. In my mind, "she chose me" to give her virginity to. And that is VERY special to me. In addition, her father made her choose between following his rules and dumping me or getting out. So...at 17 she trusted me enough to leave her father and move in with me. That too, while I know it's really not a big deal in the big picture, it's VERY important to me.
I wish that I could have something to return to her for what she gave up for me. And I know I don't. But she does have my promise that I will do nothing to hurt her. And really, if that's all I have to "give" her, I'm damn sure not gonna break that promise.
What do we really "have" to share with each other other than our word and a pure sexual bond?

OhDear · 01-20-2008, 10:03 AM

That's lovely Fx. I am sure both of you are mighty blessed to have each other.

May your happiness always be,

OhDear

fxashun · 01-20-2008, 10:10 AM

Otherwise though, I'm an asshole though. LOL.

Thanks.

OhDear · 01-20-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

Otherwise though, I'm an asshole though. LOL.

Thanks.

Perhaps Mrs. Fx finds it to be one of your most endearing qualities!!! LOL

OhDear

pensacola_niceman · 01-20-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fxashun

I seriously regret sharing myself with other women.

Bull fucking shit - and YOU know it!

fxashun · 01-20-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

Bull fucking shit - and YOU know it!

Actually, I think that's where "morality" and religion and believing in something become important.
I understand NOW the importance of chastity and morals. It's much easier and FUN to try to get laid as much as possible. But as with most things fun, they aren't necessarily the best way to go.

We both know as men, the playboy mansion and that lifestyle looks like the best thing since sliced bread. But as a happily married man with a wife who I know and trust looks at me as more than a walking wallet, that's a much better/consistent/persistent feeling than squeezing on a big set of silicone boobs that are only there because of what I have.

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