I aint trying to convert anybody you paranoid freak.. however i AM trying to get you guys to stop assuming Islam is evil. I am basically trying to get you guys to stop harangueing me for being muslim.. that aint something i wish to change about myself..

Free speech does not mean outright assault based on flimsy bigoted opinions which is what your "free speech" is.

I mean i tried to start a debate about how i personally believe that Islam is a good rleigion to follow.. YOU truned around and started slinging crap at me.. WTF dude? Are you THAT scared of Islam?

Even after you started assaulting me i continued to speak politely and peacefully to you.. but instead of recognizing the peaceful intentions of another human, you immediately saw your chance to continue your primitive opinion bashing.. That is not free speech you neanderthal.. that is assault.

I don't give a shit if you don't like me or if you think muslims are evil.. like i have said several times, you are an irrelevant entity based solely on your ignorance.. you cannot be faulted for you stupidity.. However you CAN be faulted for feeling that you have the right to assault another person. Is THAT the "civilized behaviour" of americans that you are so proud of?

I am on this site to debate.. i am not here to spend my fuckin day defending my religious belief from a bunch of gun-toting, violence supporting, prejudiced hicks.

You find it so easy to disregard my opinions simply because i aman "evil muslim".. That is a pretty chickenshit way to win an argument.

It is UNBELIEVABLE the way you can shoot the messenger when YOU don't like an opinion... but you cry blue murder every time somebody does it to YOU.

FORGET that i am a fuckin muslim.. try dealing with my fuckin arguments for once you useless human.

You are the one who came here telling us that Islam was the way to go. What is chckenshit about telling the truth? I don't think it's chickenshit to tell the truth about Islam. All I have done is quote the words of your "holy" book right back at you. It's not my fault you don't like the words in your holy book. What's your problem with me? I haven't done a thing but quote the words from you own Quran which is Islam's holy book and you told us was the true way. What a sad pathetic little punk you are.

Alias, i could quote back as many quotes out of context about the bible if i searched for an anti-christianity site and quoted from there.. your quotes are not the result of detailed research on your part.. they are quotes you have lifted from sites that are anti islam. I don't have the time to check the quotes and explain their context to you.

I show your religion respect.. you do not show my religion respect. I show your prophet and messiah respect.. i NEVER attack the bible or any of the commandments therein... WHY do you feel the need to do so with me?? Can i infer that you consider it your right since i am a pagan barbarian?? Sort of the same way stupid terrorists attack YOUR religion since you are an "infidel"?

AND you have quoted the quran on TWO occasions.. the rest of the time you are calling me names, calling mohammad names, condemning me for being a terrorist, insulting Islam, calling "my" god the devil etc etc.. In fact your recourse EVERY TIME is to start slinging insults rather than adressing the points.

I have never tried to make you my enemy.. YOU decided i was ur enemy.. for what reason other than the fact that i call myself a muslim? Did you ask me whether i beleive terrorism is a valid tool ?? no you didn't.. did you ask me whether i wish to kill infidels?? no you didn't.. did you ask me whether i wish to kill americans?? no you didn't.. did you ask me whether i beleive women should be suppressed and wear a veil?? no you didn't.. did you ask me whether i support Osama? no you didn't.. did you ask me whether i wish sharia to be imposed in the whole world?? no you didn't... In fact you didn't ask me ANYTHING.. the SECOND i said iw as muslim you automatically assumed i supported all of the above opinions.. and i do NOT.

This is called prejudice.. you automatically ascribed opinions to me that i do not hold and you automatically assumed i was another crazy terrorist.. i am NOT.

I have tried to explain to you why islam is not evil.. i have not tried to tell you that your religion is evil.. i have not tried to call your COUNTRY evil either.. why the fuck do you call ME evil?

Little man you are so eaten up by hate and bitterness that you are urself all those things you say i am.. you are the biggest self contradiction on this site.. You say you want peace yet you want it at the tip of a gun.. you say you want freedom, yet you support fredom reducing measures all over.. you say you believe in equality, but you still belive it is fair to treat certain segments of society differently because of the ethnicity and religion.. you say you want justice, yet you support not giving certain people access to justice.. you say you support peace but you are always talking of making war.. you say you want democracy.. but you never comment on the NON-DEMOCRATIC allies the US has..

You are not worthy of condemning me, yet you keep trying.

I never condemn you.. i think ur stupid but that's based solely on the stuff you write on this forum. SO tell me again.. why am i evil?? forget about my religion, forget about my nationality forget about everything.. tell me what it is i say or believe that is evil.

Those quotes are not out of context. They say what they mean and mean what they say. If you don't like it then don't insult me. I never said YOU were evil. I said Islam is evil. The Koran is a book of hatred and violence. Go ahead and back up your claim by finding anything about Jesus or the New Testament that is violence of has hatred. The New Testament is the book of Christians. I will never show your religion respect. You're religion is the cause. The terrorists are doing exactly what the Koran says to do and you will not admit it. You calling me a little man and stupid is not going help your cause. You started it pal. If you don't like it, then ignore me. I'm a free American and I have freedom of speech. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out and ignore me. I will continue to call Mohammed names and tell it like it is. Mohammed was a thug, murderer, child molester, and a goat fucker. Nothing you can do about what I say. I live in America and can say whatever the hell I please and no muslim is going to stop me.

hahahahahaha.. yeah i suppose i have been doing everything i can to provoke you.. I figured that eventually your beastly behaviour would dawn upon you..

But even so apologies are in order. I am sorry i call you little man and stupid.. but it was definately ou who started the name calling.

You say Islam is evil because the terrorists are doing what the Quran tells them. I am telling you that is not so because they are not following the quran.

So basically it comes down to how we understand quranic commandments. Will you claim that you have a better knowledge of how the quran is perceived and understood in the muslim world? IF so then you have won the argument.

But if you could perhaps consider that I as a muslim living in a muslim country with a muslim background and a muslim family MAY JUST PERHAPS have BETTER idea of how islam is understood and implemented?

IF so the read on:

"La Iqrah Fi Deen" This is a quote from the quran. It is the quote i have been raised with. It means " there is no compulsion in religion". Mind you it says RELIGION and not ISLAM. This is the basic principle of religious freedom laid out in the quran.. religion is NOT ALLOWED TO BE IMPOSED.

The fact that some cultures try is roughly the same as the vatican approving of the Spanish Inquisition. Can you make the connection? It is an action taken in the NAME of religion , but actually not sanctioned by it.

Regarding the treatment of non-muslims in muslim societies.. All muslims are bound by islamic law to pay Zakat.. Zakat is basically government tax to fund public projects. The fact that it is being siphoned off by unscrupulous clerics is a travesty CONTRADICTING islamic law. All non-muslim citizens of a muslim nation are required to pay Jizya. Jizya is government tax for non-muslims. They don't pay zakat since zakat is a muslim commandment.. but they also cannot be exempted from paying tax ( good governance 101) .. so they pay Jizya. This is not to subjugate and exploit. This is actually to entitle them to the same public funding as muslims. NOTE: Mohammad never sanctioned discrimination against non-muslims. In fact when he took control of Mecca he only destroyed the idols in the Kaba.. there was NO VIOLENCE in that takeover.. So if you assume that the city was pillaged, then you would be wrong.

I am sure you are familiar with the literary structure of the Bible. Essentially the bible is a collection of stories that each describe a particular principle. Such is also the case in the Quran. The quotes you provide need to be put in context of the story they are told in order to understand their meaning.. NOTE: i am not saying you conciously go out of your way to misquote the Quran. I believe you make a mistake in interpreting the quotes the way you do.

The quran is a book without contradictions.. Therefore if it is stated that there is no compulsion in religion, then the quranic stories must be interpreted keeping in mind that it can NEVER sanction violence against non-muslims as an aggressive tactic. An interpretation sanctioning violence would be WRONG.

There is a lot of ignorance in the muslim world. THe quran has become the battering ram the clerics use to subdue opposition. This includes all those who believe that the quran sanctions terrorism.

FACT IS that common muslims do NOT BELIEVE that violence is a quranic edict. Common muslims also do NOT believe that terrorism is sanctioned.. and they believe this based on THEIR interpretations of the quran.. This is not a lie and it is not propoganda dear alias.. it is the TRUTH.

As a christian american sitting in america with no contact to muslims and an inherent hatred towards the quran, you are hardly qualified to claim that the terrorists are following the quran. THEY ARE NOT.. And you are not the man to say they are. That is for the wider muslim population to judge.. And they judge the terrorists to be WRONG. Pakistan has caught more terrorists than the US.. WITH PUBLIC SUPPORT.

Once again i would like to request you to stop insulting my religion. I do not insult yours and i will not call you little man or stupid any longer.. am i wrong in assuming that you are capable of civilized discourse??

You ARE filled with petty hatred towards something which you do not know. I am trying to speak to you as one human to another.. Not as a Muslim Vs CHristian..

Are you going to give communication a chance or will you insist on fighting?

You are a liar. Here are words right out of the Quran. The terrorists are doing what the Quran says to do. I will not stop insulting your religion. Your religion needs to be insulted because your religion is murdering innocent people all over the world. The Islamic fascists are doing exactly what the Quran says. Deal with it. I provided a link at the end of this message to a site that may explain something to you so you will see what you are doing wrong. It is wrong to attack me for merely quoting your Quran and the truth. If it is in your holy book, then you must deal with it and face reality. Attacking me will not make it go away. You need to deal with it.

Jihad Watch

Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- France's lower house of Parliament defied pleas by Turkish officials and adopted a law punishing anyone denying that the killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks in 1915 amounted to genocide.

Lawmakers of the National Assembly in Paris today voted 106- 19 in favor of the bill, which sets out fines of up to 45,000 euros ($56,460) and a year in prison for denying the events were genocide. French senators from the upper house will now examine the proposed legislation at a date yet to be specified.

The European Commission criticized the vote for hindering ``reconciliation'' over the killings, further straining the European Union's membership talks with Turkey. The Turkish Foreign Ministry said the vote ``dealt a heavy blow'' to bilateral relations with France.

``Turkey has no lesson to teach us on the repression of opinions,'' Patrick Devedjian, a French lawmaker of the governing UMP party of Armenian descent, said in the National Assembly today, in a reference to a Turkish law used to prosecute writers who challenge Turkey's denial of the genocide. ``The Turkish government is very hypocritical.''

Nobel Prize

Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk, who was prosecuted by Turkey's courts last year after he said Turks had persecuted Armenians, was today awarded the 2006 Nobel prize in literature. Pamuk is one of about 80 writers and intellectuals tried by the nation's courts over the past year for ``insulting Turkishness.'' An Istanbul-based court threw out the case against Pamuk in January.

The European Union says Turkey's refusal to acknowledge that 1.5 million Armenians were massacred during World War I clouds the nation's bid for membership. Accession talks began a year ago. Turkey denies Armenian allegations of genocide, saying tens of thousands of ethnic Turks and Armenians were killed after Armenian groups sided with Russia in the war.

``Should this law indeed enter into force, it would prohibit the debate and the dialogue which is necessary for reconciliation on this issue,'' European Commission enlargement spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy told a Brussels press conference today.

Turkey may bar French companies from bidding for state-owned assets, including nuclear power stations, if the bill becomes law, according to a report Oct. 7 in Turkey's Hurriyet newspaper that cited Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul. Hurriyet today carried a headline ``Liberte, Egalite, Stupidite,'' to describe the French Parliament's move.

Turkey `Loses Nothing'
Bloomberg.com: Europe