So what you're saying is that Josef Stalin - who was openly atheistic - and the Mullah's that are advocating Jihad "in the name of Allah" are both equally religious?

Yeah, okay. Gotcha.


Or don't you understand that I'm pointing out the OBVIOUS ERROR in what Captain Dumbass (Ludin) posted? Are you going to defend his stupidity now? Are you going to try to convince me that the USSR was a Christian empire? Sure, go ahead!

What were the names of the churches that Hilter, Stalin, Kruschev, and Lenin attend? You still haven't told us.

I think it was the
- Ost Freisland Lutheran Church
- Russian Orthodox Church
- Assemblies of God Church
- First African Methodist Episcopalian Church

In that order, of course.


Now I could be mistaken, but I'm sure Ludin will be right along to clarify the FACTS.

i just google "hitler and his religion" and this is the first link i got..

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism


Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

That was when he was a boy. Evidently, he changed his beliefs and became the madman he was:

Was Hitler a Christian?
By John Baskette - but the information came from Marty Helgesen in a soc.religion.christian post.
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:


Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:


Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:


Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:


Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)


14th December, 1941, midday:


Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:


It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 27

Was Hitler a Christian?

This is like trying to argue the validity of the religiousness of any public figure out to get popular support. Are they really Christian or are they just rallying their base?

Because Hitler has said many times while he was in power and more importantly when he was attempting to get into power that he was a Christian and that he thought he was doing the work of God.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
-Adolf Hitler

I take particular interest in the Second World War and have studied it for a while. I believe that Hitler was most certainly a Christian, or at least, what he saw as a Christian following policies indicative of what he saw was the work of God.

I mean, his Nazi platform included a section on Positive Christianity. That platform stayed with the Nazis until their demize, and Nazi (or neo-Nazi rather) culture to this day still has a close relationship with Christianity. If Hitler was able to shape public opinion so well with his propaganda, and if he was able to radicalize them; if he seriously thought Christianity was a bad thing then he could have gotten rid of it in Germany as Stalin had done in Russia. He's always been considered a Christian from witnesses and friends. He encouraged Nazis to worship in churches, and he even attempted at setting up an official Reich German Church.

But also, I believe, Hitler's fanaticism with the occult must be taken into account in this debate.

Hitler was a nut and delusional. Saying Hitler was a Christian is like saying your dog is a racing horse. The Aryan Nations say they are Christians also. Now walk into a Lutheran church and tell me how many swastikas you see. Walk into any Christian church and tell me how many swastikas you see. What was the name of the church Hitler attended? Those quotes I found are for real and I don't doubt the reality of yours. The fact is Hitler was not a "Christian" in the sense we know Christians. He did not go to church, he did not read the bible, he spouted anti-Christian rhetoric as proven by the quotes I posted. Wishful thinking is not reality.

If you are going to say Hitler was a true Christian, then you are going to have to say fascist muslims are true muslims because Hitler and the fascist muslims have the same agenda. So which is it?

NO you mental midget.. what i AM saying is that they are both equally off their rockers. Just because crazy people profess to a certain religion, it does not invalidate the religion.. It just means that they are too crazy to understand the logic of their own religion.

NO the USSR was not a christian empire, but that obviously was not Ludins point. Stop focusing on inaccuracies and focus on the principle.

What he was saying was the the stated religion of a person does not necessarily represent their beliefs.. NOR does it relfect on their religion since the religion can be RIGHT and their INTERPRETATION can be wrong. Just like Hitler ( and ur home grown KKK ) believe that the BIBLE justifies genocide and racial dicrimination.

Seriously jeff.. you KNOW the KKK are just a bunch of nuts who twist the bible to support their stupidity.. WHy is so hard for you to believe that some muslims do the same to the Quran???

No you silly old man... Kat is saying the EXACT OPPOSITE.. Hitler SAID he was christian.. he claimed to be doing the work of the Lord.. But he TWISTED the bible to support his insanity.. JUST LIKE certain muslims do with Islam..

You happen to KNOW that the KKK is a bunch of nuts twisting your religion.. WHy do you not believe me when i say that muslim terrorists are a bunch of nuts twisting Islam??

I mean seriously dude.. why is that hitlers "christianity" can be accepted as non-representative of christian ideals, but Osama's "Islam" cannot be taken as non-representative of Islam??

Why do you begin every post with an insult? Is that something you polite muslims learn in your indoctrination centers? Fucking little twerp. Why do you agree with Ludin on this forum when he is in love with Osama? Why do you agree with Hezbolla when they are a known terrorist organization? You keep saying one thing out of one side of your mouth and another out of the other side. You're a fucking phoney like every other fucked up muslim. Now insult me again you little fucking maggot.