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Old 10-04-2006, 10:40 PM   #81 (permalink)
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No, not all humans are the same. There are evil people in this world. If you had any sense, you wouldn't be another fucked up muslim. See! I can insult just like you. Keep it up.
Fine fine... well done..

Anyhow all humans ARE the same because that is what god tells us.. ANd that is what common sense dictates.
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Old 10-04-2006, 10:55 PM   #82 (permalink)
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All humans have basic fundamental similarities. All humans truly want to be happy. All humans belong to the same species, and as a result all humans have the same capacities of imagination and emotions, for example. It is on these similarities that we can connect.

Racism and hatred toward people of other religions is completely ignorant and naive. Fire feeds the fire. Vengence perpetuates vendetta, violence breeds violence, and war will only lead to more wars. We must come to an understanding, and in this new century, we must be an age of reason and tolerance. We must educate both sides. Its the only way to have any substantial peace. This is not a war in the traditional military sense of the term. A fight against Islamic extremism is part of a broader war on all religious extremism. It can only be won by winning hearts and minds. It can only be won by an understanding. I'm sorry that it wont be a testonsterone-induced patriotic hollywood moment, which I'm sure many Americans such as Alias desire; but real life isn't an action movie. Understanding is how we will have peace, and you can either accept this fact or not.
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Old 10-04-2006, 11:32 PM   #83 (permalink)
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All humans have basic fundamental similarities. All humans truly want to be happy. All humans belong to the same species, and as a result all humans have the same capacities of imagination and emotions, for example. It is on these similarities that we can connect.

Racism and hatred toward people of other religions is completely ignorant and naive. Fire feeds the fire. Vengence perpetuates vendetta, violence breeds violence, and war will only lead to more wars. We must come to an understanding, and in this new century, we must be an age of reason and tolerance. We must educate both sides. Its the only way to have any substantial peace. This is not a war in the traditional military sense of the term. A fight against Islamic extremism is part of a broader war on all religious extremism. It can only be won by winning hearts and minds. It can only be won by an understanding. I'm sorry that it wont be a testonsterone-induced patriotic hollywood moment, which I'm sure many Americans such as Alias desire; but real life isn't an action movie. Understanding is how we will have peace, and you can either accept this fact or not.
hear hear.. well put
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Old 10-05-2006, 12:00 AM   #84 (permalink)
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Fine fine... well done..

Anyhow all humans ARE the same because that is what god tells us.. ANd that is what common sense dictates.
That is not what the god of islam says. The god of islam says you are not completely human until you are a muslim. I think I know your book better than you do.
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All humans have basic fundamental similarities. All humans truly want to be happy. All humans belong to the same species, and as a result all humans have the same capacities of imagination and emotions, for example. It is on these similarities that we can connect.

Racism and hatred toward people of other religions is completely ignorant and naive. Fire feeds the fire. Vengence perpetuates vendetta, violence breeds violence, and war will only lead to more wars. We must come to an understanding, and in this new century, we must be an age of reason and tolerance. We must educate both sides. Its the only way to have any substantial peace. This is not a war in the traditional military sense of the term. A fight against Islamic extremism is part of a broader war on all religious extremism. It can only be won by winning hearts and minds. It can only be won by an understanding. I'm sorry that it wont be a testonsterone-induced patriotic hollywood moment, which I'm sure many Americans such as Alias desire; but real life isn't an action movie. Understanding is how we will have peace, and you can either accept this fact or not.
Wonderful pipe dream. Tell that to the muslims are are murdering people and tell it to the nut job in Iran who is building a nuke to wipe out Israel. The rest of us are just fine. Work on the ones who believe this crap, not those who love peace in America.

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

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Old 10-05-2006, 12:16 PM   #86 (permalink)
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That is not what the god of islam says. The god of islam says you are not completely human until you are a muslim. I think I know your book better than you do.

I already explained this to you before.. but here we go again.

The IMPLIED meaning of this sentence is that one can never be truly happy ( or a complete human) unless you are a muslim.

This is NOT a condemnation of those who are not muslim.. it is an encouragement to non-muslims that true happiness lies in being a muslim.

Since the entire world disagrees on what a "muslim" is, this is a matter that humanity will work out eventually.

However if you will INSIST on thinking that i consider you subhuman because you are not muslim then be my guest.

I DO consider you an incomplete human, but that is because you got such a hardon for violence and destruction ( sort of the same way i feel about muslim terrorists) ... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.

And i know more about my religion than you do.. i'm the one who believes in it so i am INFINITELY more capable of judging how it affects my behaviour.

So shut up and stick to things your feeble mind understands.. Of course that would result in crushing silence on your part.. but hey that's a sacrifice i am willing to make.
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I already explained this to you before.. but here we go again.

The IMPLIED meaning of this sentence is that one can never be truly happy ( or a complete human) unless you are a muslim.

This is NOT a condemnation of those who are not muslim.. it is an encouragement to non-muslims that true happiness lies in being a muslim.

Since the entire world disagrees on what a "muslim" is, this is a matter that humanity will work out eventually.

However if you will INSIST on thinking that i consider you subhuman because you are not muslim then be my guest.

I DO consider you an incomplete human, but that is because you got such a hardon for violence and destruction ( sort of the same way i feel about muslim terrorists) ... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.

And i know more about my religion than you do.. i'm the one who believes in it so i am INFINITELY more capable of judging how it affects my behaviour.

So shut up and stick to things your feeble mind understands.. Of course that would result in crushing silence on your part.. but hey that's a sacrifice i am willing to make.
More insults without any facts. Explain these Mr. Muslim.


About Those Annoying Non-Believers (Infidels, Pagans, Jews, Christians, etc.)

Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
NOTE: By ‘guarding carefully’, a Muslim should deceive the infidel. Acting as a friend is fine as long as it is to benefit the Muslim and protect Islam.

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”

Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”

Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”

Qur’an 9.33 He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions.

Qur’an 2:193 “And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah”

Qur’an 8:71 And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”
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More insults without any facts. Explain these Mr. Muslim.


About Those Annoying Non-Believers (Infidels, Pagans, Jews, Christians, etc.)

Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
NOTE: By ‘guarding carefully’, a Muslim should deceive the infidel. Acting as a friend is fine as long as it is to benefit the Muslim and protect Islam.

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”

Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”

Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”

Qur’an 9.33 He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions.

Qur’an 2:193 “And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah”

Qur’an 8:71 And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Fine dude you win.. now fuck off and quit bothering me
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You fuck off Mr. Muslim. You're the one who came here declaring what a fine religion Islam is and trying to convert people. No one is "bothering" you. This is free speech in action. Like I told you, if you can't take the heat then find something you can do like knitting of basket weaving.
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Now fuck off and quit bothering me
I think that's pretty much what the United States is saying to the Muslim terrorists.
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